Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Rewrite in American Rules English using WRG 7.6 as a base. Some minor
changes. Lots of examples. New Army lists.

Draft of rules in the files section of the WarriorRules egroup.

Jon

Jon,
Thanks. Will stay tuned for details. Francis

[scott holder]

Sounds like an "X" rule to me. If you write one up, we can look at it. I
don't really wanna do "agression" at this point on the lists but again, we can
add that later in a "free, optional rule" update or something. Ask Jon, he's
the "X rules" guy.

Scott

>>> sscott04@... 3/23/01 11:47:00 AM >>>
To the Four Horsemen,
While I understand your deisre not to change core rules, when I was
contimplating
scenery for my town last night, I realized that I had no idea what to
paint.
The
reason being that my climate (Italian Condatta) is warm and I am rarely in

my
home climate. I realize how the climate system developed and see the
advantages
to this system, but some armies (the Condatta being one) rarely if ever
left
their home region, while the Romans (who come from the same region) most
assuredly did. Could you come up with a optional rule that has a system
(ala.
DBM) based on the agressiveness of the army and not the region from which
it
comes from.
Thank you in advance,

Sean

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

That is really a great idea that could be handled a list rule by Scott. What is your opinion Jon?

                                                      Kelly

[Kelly Wilkinson]

I realize you are busy Scott, but isn't this a list thing?

                                                                  Kelly

[joncleaves]

I'm working it, Scott. (climate)

[scott holder]

1st Place: Greg Regets* - Knights of Saint John
2nd Place: Don Coon - Ghaznavid
3rd Place: Kelly Wilkerson* - Pergamene
4th Place: Michael Forbes - Carolingian Franks
5th Place: John Winkler - Italian Condotta
6th Place: Gilles Hudenot* - Vikings
7th Place: Mike Russell - Carthagans
8th Place: Pat Byrnes* - Later Crusaders Early Period
9th Place: John Chriss - Tlaxcallans
10th Place: Bill Chriss* - Hellenistic Greek
11th Place: Harlan Garrett* - Later Crusaders Late Period

>A couple of questions.

>First, of these lists that are covered by FHE lists, how many of you used the
FHE list? Obviously the Pergamene, Carthagenians and Greeks haven't been redone
but the rest........Again, not passing judgement here, just wondering. Oh yeah,
Condotta are officially "redone", just not publically yet. Acutally, I'm
pleased that somebody running Carolingian Franks came in 4th, that's cool.

>Second, how were the Vikings purchased, again assuming an FHE list? I'm really
interested in this since I continue to ponder new and ingenious ways to run
these guys in 25mm with a marginal expectation of competing in an open
environment.

>Were the Tlaxcallans led by Cortez or was he even in the army? If so, how'd
everybody like the Spanish?

Scott

[Harlan Garrett]

Scott,

If memory serves me correctly, most of the people used FHE list. Natural
Hellenistic Greek, Carthagans, and Early Imperial Romans (not Italian
Condotta) were NASAMW or Huckleberry Finn List. I do not recall the
Pergamene list source, but it was not NASAMW or Huckleberry Finn.

The Viking were purchased with the NASAMW list. For a foot army, the Viking
did a good job holding off mounted armies. Gilles definitely knew the
weakness of his army and did his best to minimize the weaknesses and utilize
terrain to his benefit.

The Tlaxcallans had a Spanish Ally General and did better than their placing
would let you believe.

The Carolingian Franks do very well because of way Michael plays them, he
has an extremely aggressive and his in your face playing style which suits
the army very well. I would expect Michael's army to finish much higher in
future tournaments.

The Carthagians did very well, once Mike has a few more reps, his armies are
going to do much better and he is going to threaten the more veteran players
for a final four seat. He won one of the two army packs, Sassanid Persian,
and I would expect that army to make a showing in the future.

Down here in Texas, we have a very liberal list edibility policy. We will
allow any published list until we have rebuilt a very sizable Warrior Base
(20 or more people consistently showing for tournaments).

Respectfully,
Harlan
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Subject: RE: [WarriorRules]


1st Place: Greg Regets* - Knights of Saint John
2nd Place: Don Coon - Ghaznavid
3rd Place: Kelly Wilkerson* - Pergamene
4th Place: Michael Forbes - Carolingian Franks
5th Place: John Winkler - Italian Condotta
6th Place: Gilles Hudenot* - Vikings
7th Place: Mike Russell - Carthagans
8th Place: Pat Byrnes* - Later Crusaders Early Period
9th Place: John Chriss - Tlaxcallans
10th Place: Bill Chriss* - Hellenistic Greek
11th Place: Harlan Garrett* - Later Crusaders Late Period

>A couple of questions.

>First, of these lists that are covered by FHE lists, how many of you used
the FHE list? Obviously the Pergamene, Carthagenians and Greeks haven't
been redone but the rest........Again, not passing judgement here, just
wondering. Oh yeah, Condotta are officially "redone", just not publically
yet. Acutally, I'm pleased that somebody running Carolingian Franks came in
4th, that's cool.

>Second, how were the Vikings purchased, again assuming an FHE list? I'm
really interested in this since I continue to ponder new and ingenious ways
to run these guys in 25mm with a marginal expectation of competing in an
open environment.

>Were the Tlaxcallans led by Cortez or was he even in the army? If so,
how'd everybody like the Spanish?

Scott


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The Vikings were the FHE list. I'll send you an excel spreadsheet with
my army list once I dig it up.

Gilles

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:37 PM
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Subject: RE: [WarriorRules]

1st Place: Greg Regets* - Knights of Saint John
2nd Place: Don Coon - Ghaznavid
3rd Place: Kelly Wilkerson* - Pergamene
4th Place: Michael Forbes - Carolingian Franks
5th Place: John Winkler - Italian Condotta
6th Place: Gilles Hudenot* - Vikings
7th Place: Mike Russell - Carthagans
8th Place: Pat Byrnes* - Later Crusaders Early Period
9th Place: John Chriss - Tlaxcallans
10th Place: Bill Chriss* - Hellenistic Greek
11th Place: Harlan Garrett* - Later Crusaders Late Period

>A couple of questions.

>First, of these lists that are covered by FHE lists, how many of you
used the FHE list? Obviously the Pergamene, Carthagenians and Greeks
haven't been redone but the rest........Again, not passing judgement
here, just wondering. Oh yeah, Condotta are officially "redone", just
not publically yet. Acutally, I'm pleased that somebody running
Carolingian Franks came in 4th, that's cool.

>Second, how were the Vikings purchased, again assuming an FHE list?
I'm really interested in this since I continue to ponder new and
ingenious ways to run these guys in 25mm with a marginal expectation of
competing in an open environment.

>Were the Tlaxcallans led by Cortez or was he even in the army? If so,
how'd everybody like the Spanish?

Scott

[Mark Mallard]

In a message dated 7/8/03 10:25:18 AM GMT Daylight Time,
fredthebaddy@... writes:

> What is a Huckleberry Finn list? Does it refer to the original 6th
> edition lists, what we in Australia would call the "blue books"?
>


i believe it was a jokey reference to the authors

Hutchby & Clark

who authored at least one of the WRG 7th edition lists books - they are
yellow and orange i believe - not blue

i recently aquired

ARMY LISTS VOLUME 1 (orange) by the above authors

from a uk supplier

i already have the rest of the set (but my volume 1 had been lost by a
pal)

mark mallard


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Greg Regets]

Hello Scott ...

I think the most proper answer to your question about the use of FHE lists,
would be that everyone is using them, that has an army covered by them and has
access to them in a timely enough manner to get the troops together.

Yes, we are allowing older lists in the short term, but the reasoning behind
this is that so many of our players are new and borrowing armies, it is
difficult to get that many armies into new-list compliance. I would note that
we are getting better, with every tournament.

There are very good reasons to use the FHE list, starting with the fact that
they are just better lists. The research is better, the history is better, and
they are of course built for Warrior. It does not seem to be a very hard sell
getting people in our area to use them. The sole objection I have heard about
the new lists is that all the light cavalry seems to be built with minimums and
maximums that are designed for a player preference for 12 figure units. Many
players like 16's and are not able to build properly sized units. In some
instances, this is historically based, but in most, the history is not all that
clear.

In San Antonio, only one of our eight players is using an old list, and he is a
Late Roman player. At least for our region, that says it all!

As far as the South American army with the Spanish Ally ... that is just a
fierce army to face with a knight host. I played it, gor shot very badly, and
was very glad I had my infantry to engage the enemy before the knights went in.
I would definately recommend this army to any player.

We in San Antonio were all very pleased by Mike Forbes' fourth place finish
with his Carolingian Franks. This is a perfect example of the right army for
the right player. He is getting far more out of this army than we would have
ever anticipated. What you might not know, is that this is only Mike's SECOND
TOURNAMENT!

Thanks ...
G

What is a Huckleberry Finn list? Does it refer to the original 6th
edition lists, what we in Australia would call the "blue books"?

Adrian Williams


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Harlan D. Garrett"
<Harlan.D.Garrett@W...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> If memory serves me correctly, most of the people used FHE list.
Natural
> Hellenistic Greek, Carthagans, and Early Imperial Romans (not
Italian
> Condotta) were NASAMW or Huckleberry Finn List. I do not recall
the
> Pergamene list source, but it was not NASAMW or Huckleberry Finn.
>
> The Viking were purchased with the NASAMW list. For a foot army,
the Viking
> did a good job holding off mounted armies. Gilles definitely knew
the
> weakness of his army and did his best to minimize the weaknesses
and utilize
> terrain to his benefit.
>
> The Tlaxcallans had a Spanish Ally General and did better than
their placing
> would let you believe.
>
> The Carolingian Franks do very well because of way Michael plays
them, he
> has an extremely aggressive and his in your face playing style
which suits
> the army very well. I would expect Michael's army to finish much
higher in
> future tournaments.
>
> The Carthagians did very well, once Mike has a few more reps, his
armies are
> going to do much better and he is going to threaten the more
veteran players
> for a final four seat. He won one of the two army packs,
Sassanid Persian,
> and I would expect that army to make a showing in the future.
>
> Down here in Texas, we have a very liberal list edibility policy.
We will
> allow any published list until we have rebuilt a very sizable
Warrior Base
> (20 or more people consistently showing for tournaments).
>
> Respectfully,
> Harlan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holder, Scott [mailto:Scott.Holder@f...]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:37 PM
> To: hubsmtp.gwhub."Harlan.D.Garrett@W...";
> NASAMW_SW@yahoogroups.com; WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: CNCBump@a...; cuan@w...; DBeeson@S...; Dibbles@S...;
> GAR@t...; Gilles.Hudelot@a...; hrisikos@D...;
> JJenDon@c...; jwilkinson62@y...; JWinkler@S...;
> m4lourne@a...; ragingbullmf@y...; sbspunisher36@h...;
> Tebo.Chris@N...
> Subject: RE: [WarriorRules]
>
>
> 1st Place: Greg Regets* - Knights of Saint John
> 2nd Place: Don Coon - Ghaznavid
> 3rd Place: Kelly Wilkerson* - Pergamene
> 4th Place: Michael Forbes - Carolingian Franks
> 5th Place: John Winkler - Italian Condotta
> 6th Place: Gilles Hudenot* - Vikings
> 7th Place: Mike Russell - Carthagans
> 8th Place: Pat Byrnes* - Later Crusaders Early Period
> 9th Place: John Chriss - Tlaxcallans
> 10th Place: Bill Chriss* - Hellenistic Greek
> 11th Place: Harlan Garrett* - Later Crusaders Late Period
>
> >A couple of questions.
>
> >First, of these lists that are covered by FHE lists, how many of
you used
> the FHE list? Obviously the Pergamene, Carthagenians and Greeks
haven't
> been redone but the rest........Again, not passing judgement here,
just
> wondering. Oh yeah, Condotta are officially "redone", just not
publically
> yet. Acutally, I'm pleased that somebody running Carolingian
Franks came in
> 4th, that's cool.
>
> >Second, how were the Vikings purchased, again assuming an FHE
list? I'm
> really interested in this since I continue to ponder new and
ingenious ways
> to run these guys in 25mm with a marginal expectation of competing
in an
> open environment.
>
> >Were the Tlaxcallans led by Cortez or was he even in the army?
If so,
> how'd everybody like the Spanish?
>
> Scott
>
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[Harlan Garrett]

Yes, it was a joking reference to Hutchby and Clark.

Harlan
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In a message dated 7/8/03 10:25:18 AM GMT Daylight Time,
fredthebaddy@... writes:

> What is a Huckleberry Finn list? Does it refer to the original 6th
> edition lists, what we in Australia would call the "blue books"?
>


i believe it was a jokey reference to the authors

Hutchby & Clark

who authored at least one of the WRG 7th edition lists books - they are
yellow and orange i believe - not blue

i recently aquired

ARMY LISTS VOLUME 1 (orange) by the above authors

from a uk supplier

i already have the rest of the set (but my volume 1 had been lost by a
pal)

mark mallard


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[scott holder]

What is a Huckleberry Finn list? Does it refer to the original 6th
edition lists, what we in Australia would call the "blue books"?

>Here in the New World, the somewhat deragatory phrases "Huckleberry Finn" or
"Huckleberry and Clark" refer to what we call the "new" WRG lists produced by
two long term TOG players in Britain who somehow managed to convince WRG to
publish the things. There are many reasons for such deragatory terms being
used, the most obvious of which are the poor proofing job done on the final
product. I've always had more fundamental issues with the material but will
leave it at that for today:):)

>They managed to do 3 books before WRG's interest died (or they lost interest
themselves).

>The actual phrases come from, I believe, the Republic of Texas, a
semi-independent kingdom wedged between Mexico and the USofA that pays nominal
lip service to it's feudal overlord in Washington DC.

Scott

--- gar@... wrote:
> Hello Scott ...
> > I'm not quite the prodigy Greg and the boys make
me out to be. This was my second WARRIOR tournament. I
played WRG 6th and 7.0 thru 7.umpty-ump. I've been
around for a while, had my head handed to me by many
fine folks, and I think WARRIOR is great!

> We in San Antonio were all very pleased by Mike
> Forbes' fourth place finish
> with his Carolingian Franks. This is a perfect
> example of the right army for
> the right player. He is getting far more out of this
> army than we would have
> ever anticipated. What you might not know, is that
> this is only Mike's SECOND
> TOURNAMENT!
>
> Thanks ...
> G
>
>


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