Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

Funny thing happened at the movie, as we warrior players all watched the
movie together, I think it was Don who slipped and said aloud- something akin
to OH NO! HC v Pike is not a good match. Luckily Gandolf blinded the bad guy
pike men making them disordered and of course that is a whole other matter.
Chris

In a message dated 12/23/2002 7:45:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:

> There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into, get this, pike blocks.
> Heh heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately looks like plain
> ole HC to me. And, of course, they win.
>
>



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[scott holder]

As I mentioned earlier, Colleen McCullough has obviously played Warrior.

However, Peter Jackson (Director, LOTR movies) has not. First, wonderful movie,
better than the first despite two rather dumb (and one was pointless) departures
from the book. And Paul had an interesting take on the Riders of Rohan and
their "costumes". It is some oddball cross between Vikings, Normans, and later
Byzantines (some of the "palace guard" dudes had scale armor that reminded me
more of Byzantines, yet they had a stereotypical Viking helmet). But I digress.

There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into, get this, pike blocks. Heh
heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately looks like plain ole HC to
me. And, of course, they win.

Hmmmmm, obviously will hafta make the Riders list in FanWar impervious to pike
blocks:):)

Of course if I followed this line of thinking, I'll need those big "rolling
flamie ball thingies" for the Spartacan list:):)

scott

[joncleaves]

There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into, get this, pike blocks. Heh
heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately looks like plain ole HC to
me. And, of course, they win.>>

Oh, Scott. I thought you were a ME purist....

Didn't you notice the 'presence' spell Gandalf cast at the moment they hit? All
them uruks were blinded and lost their -2 from being disordered.

Sure, FanWar handles this just fine...lol

The bigger issue is charging down a hill that would break 80% of those horse's
legs...

A side note - almost done with the SwordClash draft and a couple of Fanwar lists
need fixing and then I'll be hammering your ME lists. Get ready...lol

[scott holder]

Didn't you notice the 'presence' spell Gandalf cast at the moment they hit? A
ll them uruks were blinded and lost their -2 from being disordered.

>Oh, *that's* what that was:) I'm not up on my FanWar magic prefering to
win battles the old fashioned way.....thru attrition.


The bigger issue is charging down a hill that would break 80% of those horse's
legs...

>I didn't want to give away too much of the plot:):)

A side note - almost done with the SwordClash draft and a couple of Fanwar lis
ts need fixing and then I'll be hammering your ME lists. Get ready...lol

>I work with Bill, I'm used to it. Seriously, when do you need the other ones
done? I'll simply make up for the lost time later on so that Imperial/Classi
cal Warrior won't be delayed more than the 2 weeks they've already been delaye
d to date by my having to eat and sleep:):)

scott

[joncleaves]

>Oh, *that's* what that was:) I'm not up on my FanWar magic prefering to
win battles the old fashioned way.....thru attrition.>>

Yes, Monty, I am aware of your tactical methods... too bad it's a morale
game...

<<Seriously, when do you need the other ones?>>

Not yet. Let me get you back the ones you sent AND give you the master list of
lists using the new names and giving you some start thoughts...

"Scott Holder" <Scott.Holder@...> wrote:

>As I mentioned earlier, Colleen McCullough has obviously played Warrior.
>
>However, Peter Jackson (Director, LOTR movies) has not.  First, wonderful
movie, better than the first despite two rather dumb (and one was pointless)
departures from the book.  And Paul had an interesting take on the Riders of
Rohan and their "costumes".  It is some oddball cross between Vikings, Normans,
and later Byzantines (some of the "palace guard" dudes had scale armor that
reminded me more of Byzantines, yet they had a stereotypical Viking helmet).
 But I digres
>
>There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into, get this, pike blocks.  Heh
heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately looks like plain ole HC to
me.  And, of course, they win.
>


You missed the point here. Gandalf was charging with them, and bedazzled them
with the rising sun. So they were already disordered when the cavalry hit them.
Pay attention, man, and stop sneering!!!!

The designers deliberately tried to make the Rohirrim not identifiable with any
particular horsie culture, but at the same time, not ridiculous.


>Hmmmmm, obviously will hafta make the Riders list in FanWar impervious to pike
blocks:)
>

Magic always helps. If I ever have to charge a pike block with HC, I want
Gandalf riding in the front rank, even if he doesn't have any stirrups.
Wielding a sword and staff, he also must have Velcro on his ass.

Ummmm, can I ask a politically incorrect question? Was Haldir part of Elrond's
"Don't ask, don't tell" policy?

John the OFM


>Of course if I followed this line of thinking, I'll need those big "rolling
flamie ball thingies" for the Spartacan list:)
>
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[joncleaves]

Magic always helps. If I ever have to charge a pike block with HC, I want
Gandalf riding in the front rank, even if he doesn't have any stirrups. >>

In Fantasy Warrior you can, and we already have! lol

Great game...

[scott holder]

You missed the point here. Gandalf was charging with them, and bedazzled them
with the rising sun. So they were already disordered when the cavalry hit th
em. Pay attention, man, and stop sneering!!!!

*curling lip in best Billy Idol sneer I can muster*, See Jon's email "correcti
ng" me about the magic impact. I was too focused on that sheer precipice they
were "charging" down and then couldn't get past those really really really lo
ng pointy sticks the Uruks were wielding and wondering "now, I don't recall Ur
uks being pike-armed in the books" to really pick up on Goodgulf's magic "help
". Heh heh, I'll focus on that next time I see the film.

The designers deliberately tried to make the Rohirrim not identifiable with an
y particular horsie culture, but at the same time, not ridiculous.

>In that, it was fine. Acutally, I liked the horsehair plumes on the helmets,
actually looked like real horsehair and not Trent Lott's "do" the way hollywo
od usually does ancient helmet "plumes".

Magic always helps. If I ever have to charge a pike block with HC, I want Gan
dalf riding in the front rank, even if he doesn't have any stirrups. Wielding
a sword and staff, he also must have Velcro on his ass.

>No, that was a spell he threw offscreen or one of many scenes that I'm sure w
ere cut from the final theatrical release. Either that or he used some surplu
s "stickum" from when the NFL allowed its use.

He didn't have stirrups? That was the first thing I looked for. I harkened b
ack to another anal compulsive moment when I first saw Gladiator and that wond
erful battle scene in the woods. The artillery is just humming, the legionari
es are merrily butchering Gauls/Germans and here comes the CO, on a horse, wit
h stirrups. All *I* could do was carp on the fact he had stirrups, oh, many c
enturies before he should have. After 5 minutes of it, sandra elbowed me in t
he rib cage and said "save it for someone who cares" and I subsided.

Ummmm, can I ask a politically incorrect question? Was Haldir part of Elrond'
s "Don't ask, don't tell" policy?

>There's a great little dittie in Bored of the Rings that escapes me at the mo
ment that ends with "never trust a dwarf or elf as far as you can throw em".

scott

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Scott, Scott, Scott. . . They were charging down a 45 degree slope(hmmmm...) and
in the books at least, Gandalf is throwing lightning bolts into the orcs. I
would say that probably made the charge deadly enough. Not to mention whatever
nasty spells Gandalf cast on the riders in addition to the fact that he is a
lesser Demi-god like personage charging at the point of the attack. . . ! lol!

Kelly
Scott Holder <Scott.Holder@...> wrote:As I mentioned earlier, Colleen
McCullough has obviously played Warrior.

However, Peter Jackson (Director, LOTR movies) has not. First, wonderful movie,
better than the first despite two rather dumb (and one was pointless) departures
from the book. And Paul had an interesting take on the Riders of Rohan and
their "costumes". It is some oddball cross between Vikings, Normans, and later
Byzantines (some of the "palace guard" dudes had scale armor that reminded me
more of Byzantines, yet they had a stereotypical Viking helmet). But I digress.

There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into, get this, pike blocks. Heh
heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately looks like plain ole HC to
me. And, of course, they win.

Hmmmmm, obviously will hafta make the Riders list in FanWar impervious to pike
blocks:):)

Of course if I followed this line of thinking, I'll need those big "rolling
flamie ball thingies" for the Spartacan list:):)

scott


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Can't wait to see uruk pikemen!
Kelly
JonCleaves@... wrote:There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into,
get this, pike blocks. Heh heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately
looks like plain ole HC to me. And, of course, they win.>>

Oh, Scott. I thought you were a ME purist....

Didn't you notice the 'presence' spell Gandalf cast at the moment they hit? All
them uruks were blinded and lost their -2 from being disordered.

Sure, FanWar handles this just fine...lol

The bigger issue is charging down a hill that would break 80% of those horse's
legs...

A side note - almost done with the SwordClash draft and a couple of Fanwar lists
need fixing and then I'll be hammering your ME lists. Get ready...lol



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[Kelly Wilkinson]

John,
Don't be mean to Haldir, he's got low mind and can deal out some punishment
for your metw deck! Elves are just kinda like that sometimes. . .
Kelly
Defender of Elves and other Politically correct ME issues
johncarroll453@... wrote:"Scott Holder" <Scott.Holder@...> wrote:

>As I mentioned earlier, Colleen McCullough has obviously played Warrior.
>
>However, Peter Jackson (Director, LOTR movies) has not. First, wonderful
movie, better than the first despite two rather dumb (and one was pointless)
departures from the book. And Paul had an interesting take on the Riders of
Rohan and their "costumes". It is some oddball cross between Vikings, Normans,
and later Byzantines (some of the "palace guard" dudes had scale armor that
reminded me more of Byzantines, yet they had a stereotypical Viking helmet).
But I digres
>
>There is a battle scene where the Riders plow into, get this, pike blocks. Heh
heh heh, and at best, the cav is HK, more accurately looks like plain ole HC to
me. And, of course, they win.
>


You missed the point here. Gandalf was charging with them, and bedazzled them
with the rising sun. So they were already disordered when the cavalry hit them.
Pay attention, man, and stop sneering!!!!

The designers deliberately tried to make the Rohirrim not identifiable with any
particular horsie culture, but at the same time, not ridiculous.


>Hmmmmm, obviously will hafta make the Riders list in FanWar impervious to pike
blocks:)
>

Magic always helps. If I ever have to charge a pike block with HC, I want
Gandalf riding in the front rank, even if he doesn't have any stirrups.
Wielding a sword and staff, he also must have Velcro on his ass.

Ummmm, can I ask a politically incorrect question? Was Haldir part of Elrond's
"Don't ask, don't tell" policy?

John the OFM


>Of course if I followed this line of thinking, I'll need those big "rolling
flamie ball thingies" for the Spartacan list:)
>
>scott
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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Scott,
If you watch the trailer on yahoo movies where Ian McKellan (is that
correct?) explains why Gandalf supposedly has no reins, it will all be
explained! heehee
Kelly
"Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...> wrote:You missed the point
here. Gandalf was charging with them, and bedazzled them
with the rising sun. So they were already disordered when the cavalry hit th
em. Pay attention, man, and stop sneering!!!!

*curling lip in best Billy Idol sneer I can muster*, See Jon's email "correcti
ng" me about the magic impact. I was too focused on that sheer precipice they
were "charging" down and then couldn't get past those really really really lo
ng pointy sticks the Uruks were wielding and wondering "now, I don't recall Ur
uks being pike-armed in the books" to really pick up on Goodgulf's magic "help
". Heh heh, I'll focus on that next time I see the film.

The designers deliberately tried to make the Rohirrim not identifiable with an
y particular horsie culture, but at the same time, not ridiculous.

>In that, it was fine. Acutally, I liked the horsehair plumes on the helmets,
actually looked like real horsehair and not Trent Lott's "do" the way hollywo
od usually does ancient helmet "plumes".

Magic always helps. If I ever have to charge a pike block with HC, I want Gan
dalf riding in the front rank, even if he doesn't have any stirrups. Wielding
a sword and staff, he also must have Velcro on his ass.

>No, that was a spell he threw offscreen or one of many scenes that I'm sure w
ere cut from the final theatrical release. Either that or he used some surplu
s "stickum" from when the NFL allowed its use.

He didn't have stirrups? That was the first thing I looked for. I harkened b
ack to another anal compulsive moment when I first saw Gladiator and that wond
erful battle scene in the woods. The artillery is just humming, the legionari
es are merrily butchering Gauls/Germans and here comes the CO, on a horse, wit
h stirrups. All *I* could do was carp on the fact he had stirrups, oh, many c
enturies before he should have. After 5 minutes of it, sandra elbowed me in t
he rib cage and said "save it for someone who cares" and I subsided.

Ummmm, can I ask a politically incorrect question? Was Haldir part of Elrond'
s "Don't ask, don't tell" policy?

>There's a great little dittie in Bored of the Rings that escapes me at the mo
ment that ends with "never trust a dwarf or elf as far as you can throw em".

scott














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>
> *curling lip in best Billy Idol sneer I can muster*, See Jon's email
"correcti
> ng" me about the magic impact. I was too focused on that sheer precipice
they
> were "charging" down and then couldn't get past those really really
really lo
> ng pointy sticks the Uruks were wielding and wondering "now, I don't
recall Ur
> uks being pike-armed in the books" to really pick up on Goodgulf's magic
"help
> ". Heh heh, I'll focus on that next time I see the film.
>
I am coming to this a bit late as I have only just seen the film and picked
up all my e-mails.
Saruman wasn't a complete dummy so he did deploy pikemen at the Fords of
Isen( where Theodred copped it) but pike armed
Uruks or men we don't know.
Much groaning as the Rohirrim charged down that slope and the complete
omission of the Huorns that wiped out the Uruks in the first
place. Did Peter Jackson really read the books?
Paul

[Ed Kollmer]

I think it is poetic license But you have to admit it is the best
siege scene I have ever seen in a movie. It was great. The elf
reenforcements was a nice touch the most stoic troops I ever saw. especially
since their arrows looked like tracers shots.I am hoping to go again on
Saturday for the 2nd time. Tolkien was a mystic.......



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From: "Paul A Marsh" <PAUL.JACQ@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] "Fiction" and Warrior


>
> >
> > *curling lip in best Billy Idol sneer I can muster*, See Jon's email
> "correcti
> > ng" me about the magic impact. I was too focused on that sheer
precipice
> they
> > were "charging" down and then couldn't get past those really really
> really lo
> > ng pointy sticks the Uruks were wielding and wondering "now, I don't
> recall Ur
> > uks being pike-armed in the books" to really pick up on Goodgulf's magic
> "help
> > ". Heh heh, I'll focus on that next time I see the film.
> >
> I am coming to this a bit late as I have only just seen the film and
picked
> up all my e-mails.
> Saruman wasn't a complete dummy so he did deploy pikemen at the Fords of
> Isen( where Theodred copped it) but pike armed
> Uruks or men we don't know.
> Much groaning as the Rohirrim charged down that slope and the complete
> omission of the Huorns that wiped out the Uruks in the first
> place. Did Peter Jackson really read the books?
> Paul
>
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>>>Scott,
If you watch the trailer on yahoo movies where Ian McKellan (is that
correct?) explains why Gandalf supposedly has no reins, it will all be
explained! heehee
Kelly<<<<

Why would Gandalf need reins? He's not on a horse.. he's riding Shadowfax,
a meara, the finest non-flying steed in Middle-Earth! 'Fax is probably
smarter than your average Rider of Rohan and can do what it takes to keep
the old guy from falling off.

James
- Never ridden a horse, but probably has just as much meara riding
experience as anyone here!