Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:06:38 Central Standard Time,
mwolverton@... writes:
(recall
the opening battle scene in "Gladiator" with decent looking Romans)
Decent looking, but with stirrups they didn't have....lol

J


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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 3/11/2004 12:33:22 PM Central Standard Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:
(recall
the opening battle scene in "Gladiator" with decent looking Romans)
Decent looking, but with stirrups they didn't have....lol

J
Ah yes, but as you and Scott have pointed out to us ad-infinitum, stirrups
made no difference tactically so were really only an accessory and thus
detracted from the scene no more than the actors speaking in english. ;^)
Chris


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:44:00 Central Standard Time, cncbump@...
writes:
J
Ah yes, but as you and Scott have pointed out to us ad-infinitum, stirrups
made no difference tactically so were really only an accessory and thus
detracted from the scene no more than the actors speaking in english. ;^)
Chris
I had a bet someone from Texas would not be able to resist saying something
about stirrups. I lost, because I didn't think it'd be you....lol

J


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Yes, yes, this will be a topical post for this group.... 8-)

Judy and I went to see "the Passion of the Christ" last night just
to see what all the hype was about. We both found it be not in the
least anti-semetic, overly violent to the point it harmed the
story , and a big disapointment....but that's not what I came to
talk to you all about. I was realy looking forward to seeing the
depictions of Early Imperial Roman military gear. Given the fact
that Mel Gibson was interested enough in authenticity that he shot
the entire movie in the languages of the time/region I thought that
an arms and armour geek like me would be in for a real treat!

Man was I wrong. I wanted to claw my eyes out when I saw that the
Roman legionarii were decked in LEATHER LORRICA SEGMENTATA!! Even
had they been in metal lorrica I seriously doubt that style of
armour was in service by 33AD and was certainly not in a far flung
province like Judea. This in itself would have been a minor issue,
but to make the armour out of leather? What were they thinking? In
addition all the legionarii helmets were of some odd pattern with a
knob on top, the few sheilds we saw had heavy embossed designs, the
swords were all of a later "spatha" type design rather than the more
familiar gladius, and the rather poorly rendered pila were mixed
with some sort of broad bladed spear.

I won't really comment on the sickly brown color of the tunics the
legionarii were decked out in as the actual color of Roman military
uniforms is a debated topic.

Given that the supposed apearance of Early Imperial Roman infantry
is quite well know and has been done pretty well in the past (recall
the opening battle scene in "Gladiator" with decent looking Romans)
I have to wonder what they were thinking. This is especially the
case when Mel Gibson seems to have strived for authenticity.

Needless to say this has not inspired me to run out and paint up an
Early Imperial Roman army.

Thoughts?

Martin

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:06:38 Central Standard Time,
> mwolverton@h... writes:
> (recall
> the opening battle scene in "Gladiator" with decent looking
Romans)
> Decent looking, but with stirrups they didn't have....lol
>

Heh. No doubt. Note that I said "decent" and not great. This
recent depiction was an abortion.

Martin

I would expect that they couldn't get any riders that were competent enough to
ride in the 4 horn saddle.

Bob


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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 3/11/2004 1:17:21 PM Central Standard Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:
I had a bet someone from Texas would not be able to resist saying something
about stirrups. I lost, because I didn't think it'd be you....lol

J
Waaaay sorry about that. But you know how it is down here in Tejas. We love
our horses and their accoutriments. ;^)
Chris


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> Thoughts?
>
> Martin

Well I won't be seening this movie for any reason, not the least of
which is the propaganda angle. Mel Gibson has screwed the pooch on
every movie he has made in regards to authenticity. Patriot had time
twisted and historical characters completely blended into what
amounted to a superhero. In braveheart not only was time, language,
and ethnic propensity debauched, but the arms and armor were more
akin to Alice in Wonderland than anything. It looked like someone
had crocheted sections of albums together to make armor.

Wanax