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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2002 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 25 vs 15 and table size (was Arab Imperials!)


My vote, since I won't be at H'con this year, is
1200pt on 8x5. This give the most manuver game you
can get and still have conclusion in a timely manner.
Cuts out on all the supper large crap troop armies too
Smile
boyd

--- "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...>
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> Have we considered going back to 1500 points?
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> >Locally, anybody can do anything, just as Jon
> suggested relating to
> table sizes. But I know from the 3 east coast cons
> that there is no
> desire to "go back" to 1500 points, a size, I might
> add, that we used
> for 1 year before moving up to 1600 points. The
> Mini at 1200 pts fills
> the "smaller army" bill and we'll also see how it's
> received on
> "regular" table sizes this summer at Hcon. Jon will
> be running the Mini
> on Thu and I'm sure will be polling participants as
> to how they like
> playing 1200 pts on either an 8x5 or 6x4 table.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2002 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 25 vs 15 and table size (was Arab Imperials!)


Heh heh, "vote", that's rich:)Smile:)

The table size at Hcon for the Mini will be 6x4 in 15mm and 8x5 in 25mm.
The rounds are still gonna be 3 hours in length so the "extra" table
space will undoubtedly soak up "hack and slash time".

See other long post on the philosophy behind timed games and table
sizes.

>>> vercengetorix@... 5/17/02 9:14:00 AM >>>
My vote, since I won't be at H'con this year, is
1200pt on 8x5. This give the most manuver game you
can get and still have conclusion in a timely manner.
Cuts out on all the supper large crap troop armies too
Smile
boyd

--- "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
> Have we considered going back to 1500 points?
>
> >Locally, anybody can do anything, just as Jon
> suggested relating to
> table sizes. But I know from the 3 east coast cons
> that there is no
> desire to "go back" to 1500 points, a size, I might
> add, that we used
> for 1 year before moving up to 1600 points. The
> Mini at 1200 pts fills
> the "smaller army" bill and we'll also see how it's
> received on
> "regular" table sizes this summer at Hcon. Jon will
> be running the Mini
> on Thu and I'm sure will be polling participants as
> to how they like
> playing 1200 pts on either an 8x5 or 6x4 table.
>
> Scott
> Table Ho
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2002 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 25 vs 15 and table size (was Arab Imperials!)


Thanks for the response Todd ... :)

Actually I don't remember where I heard that quote, and as I said, I'm not sure
I even agree. I'm a very old 15mm player, but am pretty new to 25mm, so I don't
think I have a good base to judge from, yet. I have finished one 25mm army and
am working on two more as we speak.

Down here in our area, we try to teach our new players to play quickly, and
encourage all to get the battle going quickly. I know up in Dallas, they play
with a chess clock for just that purpose. I really can't say that we have a big
problem with people putzing around. This is probably purely coincidental, as
most of our slower players went over to DBM.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Kaeser
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] 25 vs 15 and table size (was Arab Imperials!)


Greg,

I see your arguement about table size and quality of
general. However, there are some serious exceptions
to this rule. There are players in 15mm who are not
necessarily good generals, but they can putz around so
much that no real combats take place thus leading to
1-1 scores taking both people out of the tournament.
If you think this make for good generalship I disagree
playing not to lose is not good generalship.

There are quite a few generals out there, regardless
of scale that it doesn't matter what army they are
using. It does help to have a combat oriented army in
25mm as table space is limited, but that does not take
away quality generalship. Take Dave Markowitz and his
ferocious Scots Common (killer army if you ask me).
At least in 25mm (especially in the NICT) those
players who are good at putzing can be brought to
battle and their real generalship is put to the test.

Todd

--- "Greggory A. Regets" <gar@...> wrote:
> Fortunately, the 25mm figures are wonderful to paint
> for us high-end artist types, because 25mm games on
> an 8x5 table are well past boring. My opinion of
> course.
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> Have we considered going back to 1500 points?
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> Greg
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> P.S. There is an old expression I remember from way
> back when. Not sure I agree, but here it is. "15mm
> battles tell us who is the better general, 25mm
> battles tell us who had the better army."
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2002 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 25 vs 15 and table size (was Arab Imperials!)


--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> You mean there are two cons called Genghis Con? I know of the big
Denver
> one, but where is the May one?
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OOOOPS ! Meant to say Kubla Con. Ghangi Con is in Danver, Kubla Con
is in the SF South Bay. Sorry for the confusion-dave lauerman

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2002 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: 25 vs 15 and table size (was Arab Imperials!)


Boyd???? What does eating supper have to do with
anything???

Kelly Wilkinson
--- Wanax Andron <vercengetorix@...> wrote:
> My vote, since I won't be at H'con this year, is
> 1200pt on 8x5. This give the most manuver game you
> can get and still have conclusion in a timely
> manner.
> Cuts out on all the supper large crap troop armies
> too
> Smile
> boyd
>
> --- "Holder, Scott <FHWA>"
> <Scott.Holder@...>
> wrote:
> > Have we considered going back to 1500 points?
> >
> > >Locally, anybody can do anything, just as Jon
> > suggested relating to
> > table sizes. But I know from the 3 east coast
> cons
> > that there is no
> > desire to "go back" to 1500 points, a size, I
> might
> > add, that we used
> > for 1 year before moving up to 1600 points. The
> > Mini at 1200 pts fills
> > the "smaller army" bill and we'll also see how
> it's
> > received on
> > "regular" table sizes this summer at Hcon. Jon
> will
> > be running the Mini
> > on Thu and I'm sure will be polling participants
> as
> > to how they like
> > playing 1200 pts on either an 8x5 or 6x4 table.
> >
> > Scott
> > Table Ho
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