Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/24/2003 10:27:52 Central Standard Time,
hailkaeser@... writes:

> Jon,
>
> Thanks - I'll be waiting for the write up. Since
> WARRIOR has had the on table camp there have been
> numerous attempts to loot it and each one is different
> depending upon the umpires rulings.
>
> Todd
>

Tell ya what, since we haven't seen the Spearpoint with clinic #2 in it, we
appear to have time. I'll write up a baggage camp example for the group asap
if you (and any other interested readers) will do two things for me:

1. So I can focus, give me any detail on what seems to be the problem with
camp interactions.
2. Give me what you want for the Warrior clinic that will replace the camp
one if I do that one here.

Jon


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[Todd Kaeser]

Jon,

I guess what I'm asking is an example of a camp being
attacked on table. Say a unit of LC attacking a camp
(the most likely to do so due to speed, etc...) I'm
assuming LC can attack a camp b/c they are transport
and not a unit per say. If it is defended I'm
assuming LC or LI can't attack it - so a unit of
peltasts or something similar attacking a defended
camp.

I know it's vague, but what I need are the modifiers
for attacking a defended and undefended camp.

Thanks,
Todd
--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/24/2003 10:27:52 Central
> Standard Time,
> hailkaeser@... writes:
>
> > Jon,
> >
> > Thanks - I'll be waiting for the write up. Since
> > WARRIOR has had the on table camp there have been
> > numerous attempts to loot it and each one is
> different
> > depending upon the umpires rulings.
> >
> > Todd
> >
>
> Tell ya what, since we haven't seen the Spearpoint
> with clinic #2 in it, we
> appear to have time. I'll write up a baggage camp
> example for the group asap
> if you (and any other interested readers) will do
> two things for me:
>
> 1. So I can focus, give me any detail on what seems
> to be the problem with
> camp interactions.
> 2. Give me what you want for the Warrior clinic
> that will replace the camp
> one if I do that one here.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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[joncleaves]

I guess what I'm asking is an example of a camp being
attacked on table. Say a unit of LC attacking a camp
(the most likely to do so due to speed, etc...) I'm
assuming LC can attack a camp b/c they are transport
and not a unit per say. >>

Baggage camps are certainly units (except in Fast Warrior, where they are bodies
of one element). But 6.161 does allow LC and LI to declare charges on them as
they are separate transport.

If a 4E unit of LC, B in a 2x2 hit a 2x2E camp, the factors would be:

Other cav on transport = 4 +1 for charging = 5, so four figures at 5, which is
16 on even dice. As this is not 1 CPF (which would be 20 casualties as each
transport element counts as 5 figs for CPF), LC, B will need to roll up in this
case to recoil the camp (and thus destroy it). Being impetuous works, but hard
to be supported back there near the other guy's camp, so bringing a javelin is a
better option.

<< If it is defended I'm
assuming LC or LI can't attack it - so a unit of
peltasts or something similar attacking a defended
camp.>>

I am not sure what you mean by 'defended'. If there is a unit back there
keeping the LC from the camp, then that would all be the same as it would
anywhere else on the table. As 14.44 camps are unarmed, there is no fighting
back. As they are separate and not fighting transport, there is no way to get
your own figures 'into' the camp among the unarmed ones.

You could always use something besides 14.44 if you wanted to give the player an
armed camp, but the base case we have given the event organizer is a free
unarmed camp.

Does that help?

[Todd Kaeser]

Thanks Jon,

By defended I meant that I thought we could have a
unit stationed inside the camp defending it. No so?

Todd

--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> I guess what I'm asking is an example of a camp
> being
> attacked on table. Say a unit of LC attacking a
> camp
> (the most likely to do so due to speed, etc...) I'm
> assuming LC can attack a camp b/c they are transport
> and not a unit per say. >>
>
> Baggage camps are certainly units (except in Fast
> Warrior, where they are bodies of one element). But
> 6.161 does allow LC and LI to declare charges on
> them as they are separate transport.
>
> If a 4E unit of LC, B in a 2x2 hit a 2x2E camp, the
> factors would be:
>
> Other cav on transport = 4 +1 for charging = 5, so
> four figures at 5, which is 16 on even dice. As
> this is not 1 CPF (which would be 20 casualties as
> each transport element counts as 5 figs for CPF),
> LC, B will need to roll up in this case to recoil
> the camp (and thus destroy it). Being impetuous
> works, but hard to be supported back there near the
> other guy's camp, so bringing a javelin is a better
> option.
>
> << If it is defended I'm
> assuming LC or LI can't attack it - so a unit of
> peltasts or something similar attacking a defended
> camp.>>
>
> I am not sure what you mean by 'defended'. If there
> is a unit back there keeping the LC from the camp,
> then that would all be the same as it would anywhere
> else on the table. As 14.44 camps are unarmed,
> there is no fighting back. As they are separate and
> not fighting transport, there is no way to get your
> own figures 'into' the camp among the unarmed ones.
>
> You could always use something besides 14.44 if you
> wanted to give the player an armed camp, but the
> base case we have given the event organizer is a
> free unarmed camp.
>
> Does that help?
>
>
>


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[joncleaves]

<<By defended I meant that I thought we could have a
unit stationed inside the camp defending it. No so?>>

That is not so. The only way in Warrior to have an element 'on' or 'in' another
element is for one of them to be fighting or replacing transport (hussite wagons
or boats as examples). 14.44 baggage camps are separate transport.

To simulate 'soldiers' defending unarmed camp slaves/followers/drovers/priests,
etc you'd have to have armed figures bought and paid for on the model - which
would then be figures of the transport element and still not another body 'on'
or 'in' the camp. Now that is ok, and some lists have such things, but that is
not what the free camp given to a player using 14.0 is.

[Todd Kaeser]

Thanks!!!

Todd

--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> <<By defended I meant that I thought we could have a
> unit stationed inside the camp defending it. No
> so?>>
>
> That is not so. The only way in Warrior to have an
> element 'on' or 'in' another element is for one of
> them to be fighting or replacing transport (hussite
> wagons or boats as examples). 14.44 baggage camps
> are separate transport.
>
> To simulate 'soldiers' defending unarmed camp
> slaves/followers/drovers/priests, etc you'd have to
> have armed figures bought and paid for on the model
> - which would then be figures of the transport
> element and still not another body 'on' or 'in' the
> camp. Now that is ok, and some lists have such
> things, but that is not what the free camp given to
> a player using 14.0 is.
>


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