Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

Chariots were in effect gone by the post-180 AD era of the Han Dynasty (which
after the 180s was a dynasty figuratively in name only).

-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:jjmurphy@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:51 AM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: chariot questions


Hmmm... Just asking because I have not got a clue, did chariotry
fade out in East Asia around the same time as Southwest Asia?

I know when you look at post-Han Northern Chinese "dark age" armies
they are (in my research - it is the only area of Chinese history I
know anything about, largely such as it is from Albert Dien's "The
Stirrup and its Effect on Chinese Military History" which has a
number of gems aside from its perhaps flawed Lynn White premise)
dominated by cavalry derived from Northern "barbarians" like the
Hsien-Pi (or however that translates into the currently popular
transliteration).

But I have no idea what the circumstances or timing was for the
fading away of chariotry in Chinese armies prior to that period.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, jmgarlic@a... wrote:
> Interesting idea, and maybe true for Southwest Asia, but the
mobility of the steppe warriors certainly had an impact in the Far
East.






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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/9/2004 2:19:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mark@... writes:

> Unit 1: 3 stands of Reg B 2 horse LCh, crew of 1 w/B.
> Unit 2: 3 stands of Reg B 2 horse LCh, crew of 1 w/B. The front rank LCh has 2
> LI B on the base.
> Unit 3: 3 stands of Reg B 2 horse LCh, crew of 1 w/B. The front rank and
second
> rank LCh have 2 LI B on the base.
> Unit 4: 3 stands of Reg B 2 horse LCh, crew of 1 w/B, with LI B on the base of
> each chariot.
>
> The question is: how many figures shooting does each unit count as?>>
[
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1: 4
2: I do not believe it is Scott's intent to allow a unit with some LI on bases
and some not.
3: see 2
4: 6 the LI on the front rank element are treated as shooting from the second
rank. the thrid rank LI can't shoot in skirmish.


jon

[scott holder]

2: I do not believe it is Scott's intent to allow a unit with some LI on bases
and some not.
3: see 2

>Correct.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/10/2004 19:20:41 Central Daylight Time,
rockd@... writes:

>I'm intrigued by the new chariot runner rule that Scot has posted;

Huh? Posted where?>>

It is not new, it is an errata to the Biblical Warrior list and it is found
on our website.

J







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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Actually, Marks theory is incorrect in that the deforestation of Palestine
occurred as a direct result of the seige of Jerusalem around 70 AD as is noted
by Josephus. Most of the wood was used for the seige sadly for the environment
and never grew back. . .

kelly wilkinson

jmgarlic@... wrote:
Interesting idea, and maybe true for Southwest Asia, but the mobility of the
steppe warriors certainly had an impact in the Far East.

John Garlic

> It is interesting to note that the decline of chariot armies corresponds
pretty
> closely with the deforestation of Palestine (yes, once upon a time Palestine
> was largely wooded). That lends some support to the
> economic theory.

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