Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Derek Downs]

An army bought as it was used historically is not cheesy.
But why would you ever do that.
Thus Sassanid should field Clibanarri/HC/EHC in large numbers. :)

"cheesey"
What is the definition of cheesy?

What armies aren't considered cheesy?

What makes an army cheesy?

Derekcus


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 16:49:38 Central Standard Time,
darnd022263@... writes:

What is the definition of cheesy?

What armies aren't considered cheesy?

What makes an army cheesy?
>>

Sorry, gents, but we are not having a discussion of 'cheese' on any group I
moderate. Please close the thread at this point or go back to the various
strengths and weaknesses of armies. Do not involve yourselves in answering
these questions or discussing 'cheese'.

Thanks for your support!

Jon





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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:
various
strengths and weaknesses of armies.
Sassanid Persians

Strengths - Very Long list to choose from
- Only minimums - Double armed foot with archers in the rear
Also can be unarmed
- 10 elements of HC - most of which
are hid behind SHC
- SHC which itself has a L , B ,
and Sh most SHC only have
L and these SHC can be elephant
proof
- 7 elephants allowed on the list
and are IB
- endless choices of LC and LI
armed anyway you want
reg or irreg available
- list has everything in any amount
that you want except
pike, roman foot, and Chinese
spearmen
- terrain troops are available 56
elements of LMI

Weakness - NO pike, roman foot, Burmese elephant or Chinese spearmen in
list
- the 56 elements of terrain troops are not armed with HTW,
CB, or 2HCW

Sassanid Persian as a whole has an extreme amount of strengths compared to
it's weaknesses.

Derekcus


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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 7:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fredthebaddy@... writes:
I believe you only have to have 7 elements of the HC now rather than
the 10 as published

ANW
Another strength Even less minimums


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Gents,

I have found that Brie is not a good army cheese. It does not hold the
paint very well and the spears bend way to easy. Baby Swiss also has the same
problem. Cheddar if well primed should hold the paint job well.

Jamie

James W Gentry III
Commander's Operation and Training Assistant
278th ACR TNARNG
ARNG Distributed Battle Simulations Program



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[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 10:14:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ewan.mcnay@... writes:
Derek clearly thinks it's a good list, so I'd be interested in seeing how
he would fit 7 IrrB elephants, SHC, terrain troops, massed LI and LC, and
everything else he wants into 1600 points
It is a great list with great flexibility. Never said I could get it to work.
:)

Derek


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I like camembert best, though stilton is nice too

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2006 16:49:38 Central Standard Time,
> darnd022263@a... writes:
>
> What is the definition of cheesy?
>
> What armies aren't considered cheesy?
>
> What makes an army cheesy?
> >>
>
> Sorry, gents, but we are not having a discussion of 'cheese' on
any group I
> moderate. Please close the thread at this point or go back to
the various
> strengths and weaknesses of armies. Do not involve yourselves in
answering
> these questions or discussing 'cheese'.
>
> Thanks for your support!
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I believe you only have to have 7 elements of the HC now rather than
the 10 as published

ANW

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> JonCleaves@a... writes:
> various
> strengths and weaknesses of armies.
> Sassanid Persians
>
> Strengths - Very Long list to choose from
> - Only minimums - Double armed foot with archers in
the rear
> Also can be unarmed
> - 10 elements of HC -
most of which
> are hid behind SHC
> - SHC which itself has a
L , B ,
> and Sh most SHC only have
> L and these SHC can be
elephant
> proof
> - 7 elephants allowed on
the list
> and are IB
> - endless choices of LC
and LI
> armed anyway you want
> reg or irreg available
> - list has everything in
any amount
> that you want except
> pike, roman foot, and
Chinese
> spearmen
> - terrain troops are
available 56
> elements of LMI
>
> Weakness - NO pike, roman foot, Burmese elephant or Chinese
spearmen in
> list
> - the 56 elements of terrain troops are not armed
with HTW,
> CB, or 2HCW
>
> Sassanid Persian as a whole has an extreme amount of strengths
compared to
> it's weaknesses.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Ewan McNay]

Right.

I'll try to send a response to derek's previous post when I have better
formatting available but indeed, 7 HC/EHC Clib elements required. I
use (in my most common 1600 pt army list) 3 as rear ranks, and 4 as a
shieldless HC unit (which is the least useful unit in the army in many
games).

Derek clearly thinks it's a good list, so I'd be interested in seeing how
he would fit 7 IrrB elephants, SHC, terrain troops, massed LI and LC, and
everything else he wants into 1600 points ;)

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Adrian Williams wrote:

> I believe you only have to have 7 elements of the HC now rather than
> the 10 as published
>
> ANW
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 1/23/2006 6:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > JonCleaves@a... writes:
> > various
> > strengths and weaknesses of armies.
> > Sassanid Persians
> >
> > Strengths - Very Long list to choose from
> > - Only minimums - Double armed foot with archers in
> the rear
> > Also can be unarmed
> > - 10 elements of HC -
> most of which
> > are hid behind SHC
> > - SHC which itself has a
> L , B ,
> > and Sh most SHC only have
> > L and these SHC can be
> elephant
> > proof
> > - 7 elephants allowed on
> the list
> > and are IB
> > - endless choices of LC
> and LI
> > armed anyway you want
> > reg or irreg available
> > - list has everything in
> any amount
> > that you want except
> > pike, roman foot, and
> Chinese
> > spearmen
> > - terrain troops are
> available 56
> > elements of LMI
> >
> > Weakness - NO pike, roman foot, Burmese elephant or Chinese
> spearmen in
> > list
> > - the 56 elements of terrain troops are not armed
> with HTW,
> > CB, or 2HCW
> >
> > Sassanid Persian as a whole has an extreme amount of strengths
> compared to
> > it's weaknesses.
> >
> > Derekcus
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Todd Schneider]

I stole this quote of the Fumbbl.com boards awhile
back. It's been modifed a couple of times since then,
but it describes my opinion of the whole
"Cheesy/beardy/whatever" you call it mantra some
people have.

"Cheese" and "Powergamer" are the cry of the weak.
Seriously. At best a player is "Cheesy", or a list
"Powergamey" because the player or the list contravene
the personal moral decisions of the accuser (IE YOU)
about the nature of the game, and is hence are
completely redundant phrases that mainly serves only
to highlight the selfish and snobbish attitude of the
person using them.

--- darnd022263@... wrote:

> An army bought as it was used historically is not
> cheesy.
> But why would you ever do that.
> Thus Sassanid should field Clibanarri/HC/EHC in
> large numbers.
>
> "cheesey"
> What is the definition of cheesy?
>
> What armies aren't considered cheesy?
>
> What makes an army cheesy?
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/23/2006 23:46:14 Central Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:

I stole this quote of the Fumbbl.com boards awhile
back. It's been modifed a couple of times since then,
but it describes my opinion of the whole
"Cheesy/beardy/whatever" you call it mantra some
people have.
>>



Todd, cease work. This part of this thread is ENDED.

Evil Moderator


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"Old Nippy"
Not only is it tasty, it is fun to say!

Noel.


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JamieWGIII@a... wrote:
>
> Gents,
>
> I have found that Brie is not a good army cheese. It does not
hold the
> paint very well and the spears bend way to easy. Baby Swiss also
has the same
> problem. Cheddar if well primed should hold the paint job well.
>
> Jamie