Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Dear Jon

Sorry if this has been answered - couldn't find it in message index
at all so at the risk of being a nerd, a nag and a pest ...

a) In Classical Warrior lists, special Greek Infantry rules for
phalangites, it expressly states the the special list rules apply
only to troops called "phalangites".

In list 23, the "Experimental phalanx" are not called phalangites
but ARE called "phalangites" at the end of list notes (but not named
in the troop line as such)! Do they get the phalangites special
rules? (they are Asiatic phalangites historically which I assume are
the troops also mentioned on previous troop line). I am assuming
such but your official diktat prevents much argument!

b) in the special Greek Infantry rules for Phalangites, the small
preamble defining in which lists these troops are found, you
mentioned Hypaspists in lists "22-24 (#1-2)" - it is late at night
and I might be fuzzy headed as I write this but what does the "#1-2"
mean?

Thanks for your patience

Regards

Tibor from OZ

[joncleaves]

I will find out why Scott hasn't answered.

-----Original Message-----
From: tibnmich <tibnmich@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:57:10 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Classical Warrior List 23 Experimental phalanx


Dear Jon

Sorry if this has been answered - couldn't find it in message index
at all so at the risk of being a nerd, a nag and a pest ...

a) In Classical Warrior lists, special Greek Infantry rules for
phalangites, it expressly states the the special list rules apply
only to troops called "phalangites".

In list 23, the "Experimental phalanx" are not called phalangites
but ARE called "phalangites" at the end of list notes (but not named
in the troop line as such)! Do they get the phalangites special
rules? (they are Asiatic phalangites historically which I assume are
the troops also mentioned on previous troop line). I am assuming
such but your official diktat prevents much argument!

b) in the special Greek Infantry rules for Phalangites, the small
preamble defining in which lists these troops are found, you
mentioned Hypaspists in lists "22-24 (#1-2)" - it is late at night
and I might be fuzzy headed as I write this but what does the "#1-2"
mean?

Thanks for your patience

Regards

Tibor from OZ








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[scott holder]

In list 23, the "Experimental phalanx" are not called phalangites
but ARE called "phalangites" at the end of list notes (but not named
in the troop line as such)! Do they get the phalangites special
rules? (they are Asiatic phalangites historically which I assume are
the troops also mentioned on previous troop line).

>They do NOT get the Phalangite Infantry rules as outlined on Page 3 of
Classical Warrior. It's my fault that I used the term "phalangites" in the
Notes section for these guys--an oversight that will be corrected after Hcon. I
was careful to use the phrase "phalanx" in the line item but didn't get both
(Line Item and Notes) to correlate. Sigh.

>Let me explain the rationale for this. First of all, the ExP are a *total*
blank slate. As usual, short of Alexander coming back from the dead and moving
thru time to tell us what his intent was with these guys, we'll never know, so
here's our take on it. To us, it appears that the ExP was designed to deal with
conditions in Central Asia, namely, lots of mobile archers with more shock cav
(various Skythians) than the Macedonian military system was originally designed
to deal with, let's say as opposed to a head-to-head fight with decent foot. As
such, the "mission" of the P-armed front ranks would be to provide a solid
barrier to protect the archers and JLS guys in back, and enough HTH juice to
dissuade anything on foot in those parts from messing with them. One would not,
however, take an ExP to a P fight (the analogy is don't take a knife to a gun
fight). The shooters would be ineffective and you would lose the weight that
was so crucial for the pike push. It would follow that the P-armed for the ExP
would not have the doctrine and training of the regular P, hence, a good set of
reasons to "deny" the special rules that pertain to a "full blown" pike phalanx.

>And like everything with Warrior lists, we want to force players into a set of
pre-game decision points about the army. In this case, the player should have
to choose - either well-drilled phalanx with cool list rules or experimental
guys with gadgets. Basically, different mission for the two formations, thus,
different set of nifty things for each, *not* everything for one over the other.

b) in the special Greek Infantry rules for Phalangites, the small
preamble defining in which lists these troops are found, you
mentioned Hypaspists in lists "22-24 (#1-2)" - it is late at night
and I might be fuzzy headed as I write this but what does the "#1-2"
mean?

>It means of the 3 special Phalangites Rules listed, the Hypaspists are covered
by 1 and 2 but NOT 3.

>All of the above applies to youse folks using Exp Pike at Hcon, should any be
bringing them.

scott

Dear Scott

Many many thanks

Your comments are almost exactly what I asumed when I wrote the
query.
You answered the query understanding the same issues - that it was
needed to clear up a hazy interpretation for tournaments etc.

I was not trying to gain at all - just clarify the situation!

Well done!!

Regards

Tibor


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Holder, Scott"
<Scott.Holder@f...> wrote:
> In list 23, the "Experimental phalanx" are not called phalangites
> but ARE called "phalangites" at the end of list notes (but not
named
> in the troop line as such)! Do they get the phalangites special
> rules? (they are Asiatic phalangites historically which I assume
are
> the troops also mentioned on previous troop line).
>
> >They do NOT get the Phalangite Infantry rules as outlined on Page
3 of Classical Warrior. It's my fault that I used the
term "phalangites" in the Notes section for these guys--an oversight
that will be corrected after Hcon. I was careful to use the
phrase "phalanx" in the line item but didn't get both (Line Item and
Notes) to correlate. Sigh.
>
> >Let me explain the rationale for this. First of all, the ExP are
a *total* blank slate. As usual, short of Alexander coming back
from the dead and moving thru time to tell us what his intent was
with these guys, we'll never know, so here's our take on it. To us,
it appears that the ExP was designed to deal with conditions in
Central Asia, namely, lots of mobile archers with more shock cav
(various Skythians) than the Macedonian military system was
originally designed to deal with, let's say as opposed to a head-to-
head fight with decent foot. As such, the "mission" of the P-armed
front ranks would be to provide a solid barrier to protect the
archers and JLS guys in back, and enough HTH juice to dissuade
anything on foot in those parts from messing with them. One would
not, however, take an ExP to a P fight (the analogy is don't take a
knife to a gun fight). The shooters would be ineffective and you
would lose the weight that was so crucial for the pike push. It
would follow that the P-armed for the ExP would not have the
doctrine and training of the regular P, hence, a good set of reasons
to "deny" the special rules that pertain to a "full blown" pike
phalanx.
>
> >And like everything with Warrior lists, we want to force players
into a set of pre-game decision points about the army. In this
case, the player should have to choose - either well-drilled phalanx
with cool list rules or experimental guys with gadgets. Basically,
different mission for the two formations, thus, different set of
nifty things for each, *not* everything for one over the other.
>
> b) in the special Greek Infantry rules for Phalangites, the small
> preamble defining in which lists these troops are found, you
> mentioned Hypaspists in lists "22-24 (#1-2)" - it is late at night
> and I might be fuzzy headed as I write this but what does the "#1-
2"
> mean?
>
> >It means of the 3 special Phalangites Rules listed, the
Hypaspists are covered by 1 and 2 but NOT 3.
>
> >All of the above applies to youse folks using Exp Pike at Hcon,
should any be bringing them.
>
> scott