Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

Thanks for taking a look Frank.

A couple items I noticed, which are what started me wondering about this.

Pavisier crossbowmen do not _have_ to shoot to remain in cover like
longbows do to remain in skirmish. In fact, if Pa do _not_ shoot they count
not only as cover but also as shielded to enemy missiles. This has
implications in not being worn down by enemy skirmishers just to avoid
being shot up by them.

If they _do_ shoot they are no worse off than longbowmen, cover=skirmish
and neither count shielded while shooting - plus you can make a single rank
of Pa CB to HI which has no benefit to LB unless you do the whole expensive
unit. And if I recall without looking it up they have about the same effect
and range (trading numbers for factors) against HI and better against a lot
of other stuff.

Mobility is less critical with something that can fire out to 240p with
120p for effective. However, that, and the inability get away, _do_ present
their own vulnerability although the lack of waver testing for mounted
charges is a big help.

Anyway, while it may work I am not entirely sure I would want them in place
of longbows, I have grown to like those, but maybe a viable addition if you
can avoid merely presenting a choice of targets to the enemy.

Original Message:
From: "Frank Gilson" <franktrevorgilson@...>
Subject: 4 to a stand shooters/missile screen tactics
Basically, you don't see very many close order shooters. Those with
crossbow
or handgun who have pavise count as in cover, but NOT shielded against
enemy
shooting when they themselves fire.
Close order guys are not as fast moving as regular loose order, that's
another strike against them for use as mobile missile fire.
Of course, they don't take a waver for being charged by mounted in the
open,
which is a plus.
However, unless you can get them shielded somehow mounted are likely to
beat
them if them want to.
A very few lists permit you to get 2HCT and Pavise for some close order
handgunners and/or crossbowmen...those are worth evaluating.


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[John Murphy]

Also, Frank et al, I am going on the philosophy that these are
support troops and giving them 2HCT is asking them to do something
they are made to do. Although, oddly enough, I do tend to give my LB
half 2HCW against the advice of everyone.

In any case though, in the lists I am looking at it is not an option.
In fact in some of them the longbows are not an option (or if they
are they are not in enough numbers) with the pavisiers and you just
have the pavisiers, but then there are other factors in the list that
provide some interest.

I was just wondering if all-CB/Pa or mixed CB/Pa with LB would even
work for a pretty substantial missile line like I run my longbows
(not that that works either). Keeping in mind that SHK are there as
the attack troops.

> A very few lists permit you to get 2HCT and Pavise for some close
order
> handgunners and/or crossbowmen...those are worth evaluating.