Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

Jon,

I remember some years ago, and the explanation I was given as to why was to
allow more close order troops to get into the battles, we were allowed to
march right up to behind screening troops even if within 240 of enemy because
the screening troops "screened" the enemy from the marching troops and hence
the enemy troops were unknown to the marching troops. Elephants were an
exception to this as I recall. That ruling seemed to subside and we all
seemed to stop marching once within 240 of any enemy. Your conversation
today seems to be swinging the pendulum back the other way. Is this so?

Chris

> From: cncbump@... [mailto:cncbump@...]
> Jon,
>
> I remember some years ago, and the explanation I was given as to why was
to
> allow more close order troops to get into the battles, we were allowed to
> march right up to behind screening troops even if within 240 of enemy
because
> the screening troops "screened" the enemy from the marching troops and
hence
> the enemy troops were unknown to the marching troops. Elephants were an
> exception to this as I recall. That ruling seemed to subside and we all
> seemed to stop marching once within 240 of any enemy. Your conversation
> today seems to be swinging the pendulum back the other way. Is this so?

I would interpret it a little differently: the invervening friendly troops
don't make the enemy "unknown" to the advancing troops, but they do prevent
the enemy from taking any opportunity attacks or otherwise make the
advancing troops have to halt early to defend themselves. I would think
that if an advancing troop is completely screened by friendly troops (ie,
there is no LOS from any part of the advancing troop to any part of the
enemy), then the enemy is "known" for most purposes (such as allowing the
advancing troops to charge by interpenetrating), but does not force the
advancing troop to halt at 240p.

Does that make sense? I have no idea what complications this concept would
add to the rules at this point, but on first thought it seems logical and
reasonable to allow you to march replacement troops right up behind the
troops they are replacing. Of course, not having played both ways and
experienced how it affects the game, this is all speculation.

Phillip

[joncleaves]

Um that was not the intent, so I have to look at it more closely.

[Don Coon]

> > From: cncbump@... [mailto:cncbump@...]
> > Jon,
> >
> > I remember some years ago, and the explanation I was given as to why was
> to
> > allow more close order troops to get into the battles, we were allowed to
> > march right up to behind screening troops even if within 240 of enemy
> because
> > the screening troops "screened" the enemy from the marching troops and
> hence
> > the enemy troops were unknown to the marching troops. Elephants were an
> > exception to this as I recall. That ruling seemed to subside and we all
> > seemed to stop marching once within 240 of any enemy. Your conversation
> > today seems to be swinging the pendulum back the other way. Is this so?

Chris,

Jons new KNOWN criteria only apply to enemy in HTH with your
friendlies. As you draw up, your screening troops still make the enemy
unknown and hence your close order slugs can march on up. Now once
either you or the your oppenent make contact they become known and
marching ceases at 240p, and approaches must begin. This is not a big
hinderance as usually you do not bring close order up much closer than
that, so as to allow route/retreat/recoil paths. What his new line in
1.261 DOES do, is allow you second wave to make formation changes in
preparation for upcoming battle, something march moves do not allow, and
the old KNOWN rules also prevented.

Don

[joncleaves]

<< Chris,

Jons new KNOWN criteria only apply to enemy in HTH with your
friendlies. As you draw up, your screening troops still make the enemy
unknown and hence your close order slugs can march on up. >>

This is NOT true, although it seemed to be briefly. The known criteria I
just put out today fixes that problem. The known criteria do not apply just
to enemy in HTH with your own troops, but VISIBLE. Therefore, you cannot
march up screening troops within 240p unless the screeners cannot see the
enemy themselves.
Please ensure that you are playtesting the version of known and pursuit sent
out in an email TODAY.

Jon