Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

aw shucks...

actually it was all a plot to get a chance to see Dave's superbly painted figs
up close...

[Dave Smith]

I wanted to publicly thank Jon Cleaves for taking time out of his
weekend, last weekend, to come to my house and teach me and a couple
of my gaming friends Fast Warrior. We played 2 games of Vikings vs.
Norse Irish, and I for one, had a very enjoyable time (many things
started to come back to me). It's always a little overwhelming when
you are first exposed to a new system, but Jon was extremely patient,
and did a superb job of instructing us, as we played the game.

Dave

[joncleaves]

There were some tactics missing, IMHO...... :)

[joncleaves]

I would agree that two dark age foot armies are the least requiring of tactical
finesse, but they are capable of more than most people give them credit for.

[Patrick Byrne]

That must have been a great slug-m-out-fest. Many wounded. But the best
part about the whole battle is that even though they're enemies, you know
they are drinking Guiness together after the battle. (Guiness was probably
Scottish though -blast you Don.)
-PB


----- Original Message -----
From: "david_smith_kc" <davidsmith@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: [WarriorRules] Fast Warrior 101


> I wanted to publicly thank Jon Cleaves for taking time out of his
> weekend, last weekend, to come to my house and teach me and a couple
> of my gaming friends Fast Warrior. We played 2 games of Vikings vs.
> Norse Irish, and I for one, had a very enjoyable time (many things
> started to come back to me). It's always a little overwhelming when
> you are first exposed to a new system, but Jon was extremely patient,
> and did a superb job of instructing us, as we played the game.
>
> Dave
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[Dave Smith]

It was extremely, erm.. bloody. I remember on several occasions both
sides causing triple digit casualties on units of 18 figures.
Needless to say, wasn't a lot of creative tactical decisions to
ponder, which felt about right for a dark age slugfest.

Dave





--- In WarriorRules@y..., "Patrick Byrnes" <cuan@f...> wrote:
> That must have been a great slug-m-out-fest. Many wounded. But
the best
> part about the whole battle is that even though they're enemies,
you know
> they are drinking Guiness together after the battle. (Guiness was
probably
> Scottish though -blast you Don.)
> -PB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david_smith_kc" <davidsmith@k...>
> To: <WarriorRules@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:13 AM
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Fast Warrior 101
>
>
> > I wanted to publicly thank Jon Cleaves for taking time out of his
> > weekend, last weekend, to come to my house and teach me and a
couple
> > of my gaming friends Fast Warrior. We played 2 games of Vikings
vs.
> > Norse Irish, and I for one, had a very enjoyable time (many things
> > started to come back to me). It's always a little overwhelming
when
> > you are first exposed to a new system, but Jon was extremely
patient,
> > and did a superb job of instructing us, as we played the game.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Dave Smith]

Definitely agree with that assesment. When you're focusing so much
on learning a new system, tactics are subrogated.

D


--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> There were some tactics missing, IMHO...... :)

[Chris Bump]

Pat,

Its a poor general who blames his troops........lol

Chris

[joncleaves]

Pat, you are aware that the NI FW list is the subject of a clarification, yes?

[joncleaves]

Yeah, but that armor has disappeared to the main list where is belongs and the
NI were playing with one bonnacht tied behind their table edge.

I want to see the rematch!!

[joncleaves]

JM

I think you have Dave's comments all wrong. His opponent did not screen the
only massed archer unit on the tabel, but instead fought it with his weakest
unit and lost - go figure. Then he did it again.

The armor on the Bondi is an error in the FW list, but possible as an upgrade to
one unit in the main list where the effect of the armor is diffused. I think we
have the Viking list accurately portrayed.

And no list is meeting my approval if someone made them into 'gods'. The Aztec
list will be interesting and capable. But they will not be 'gods'.

J

[Patrick Byrne]

> From: JonCleaves@...
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 00:16:34 EST
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Fast Warrior 101
>
> I would agree that two dark age foot armies are the least requiring of
> tactical finesse, but they are capable of more than most people give them
> credit for.


Like getting stuck in place by Cav and then blasted by pikemen, or spearman,
or legionaries, or other foot, or more cav, and hell when you shake cause
you got caught in the open, even enemy bowmen will charge you. And there
ain't no shame like running because a bunch of bowmen (armed only with SA)
wupped your butt in HTH.


You can probably tell I'm not having much success with my Norse Irish unless
I huddle up and play a defensive ambush game (which I despise).
-PB

[scott holder]

Its a poor general who blames his troops........lol

>And an even poorer one who blames his dice:):)

Scott
Dice Ho

[scott holder]

Like getting stuck in place by Cav and then blasted by pikemen, or
spearman,
or legionaries, or other foot, or more cav, and hell when you shake
cause
you got caught in the open, even enemy bowmen will charge you. And
there
ain't no shame like running because a bunch of bowmen (armed only with
SA)
wupped your butt in HTH.

>First a reminder: The Norse Irish list in FW has been updated. You
can find it in the file at the egroup site our at our web site.

>Second, in FW, the above scenario is less likely to happen than in a
full blown open event. Any pike/spear/lateromanslime type of opponent
simply doesn't have the resources to do all these selective "pin and
hammer" tactics so common when a pike/spear/lateromanslime army meets
the occasional Dark Age Trash (DAT) opponent in a tourney. Looking at
the FW Norse Irish list (updated of course), you are still able to lead
any attack with 2 Irr B units and 1 Irr A unit. Sure, the Irr B dudes
might hafta deal with a waver test if engaging a cav opponent but
keeping them supported/eager isn't too terribly hard, meaning you only
blow the test on a 1. And as I am fond of saying, if you roll ones in
this game, you deserve to lose. Plus, as foot go, the Norse Irish are
better than most DAT lists when it comes to dealing with knights. Sure,
it's sorta die rolly dependent but then that characterizes such lists in
the first place, particularly from the general consensus as to how we
interpret the historical record.

>Third, a digression. The previous paragraph is one reason why I'm so
high on FW. It introduces a very different gaming and list dynamic into
a fairly complicated system. That's why I respectfully disagree with
the person who posted something a couple of weeks ago about how they
expect to be bored with FW after the first couple of games. I'd argue
that there are some interesting matchups out-of-period that bring
different armies into the competitive fold and that those people wanting
to run something more historical without the lead investment, can now
get a real good flavor for so many periods.


You can probably tell I'm not having much success with my Norse Irish
unless
I huddle up and play a defensive ambush game (which I despise).

>Perhaps you should find another army that better suits your playing
style? This gets back to the FW/Warrior differences. I feel the same
armies in both systems can play very differently given how the lists are
setup.

Scott
List Ho

[Patrick Byrne]

Hey,
I think my problem is with the leaders. When I tell them to have the troops
ready for the battle, they think I mean having them liquer'd up enough to go
to battle.

Solution right now is to hire more Normans. The Normans are out of Knights
though and can only send more bowman.


Scott, can you raise the number of Knights available for the Norse Irish in
the upcoming lists. I'd say 2-24 elements would do. Our army has plenty of
brew to buy (imbibe) the Knights. Hell just provide the Squires, the
horses, and the armor and we'll armor up the extra Welsh bowmen and tie them
onto the horses.

*Best Irish Accent on*
"Now look Mr. Welshy, you just point this long spear at those enemy and ride
right into them. The'll be beer waiting for you when you return."


Make 'em IRR D, HK, L - now that's worth drinking to.
-PB



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> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:12:58 EST
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> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Fast Warrior 101
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> Pat,
>
> Its a poor general who blames his troops........lol
>
> Chris
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