Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Just a little comment from the DBM list. Check the last paragraph.

--- In dbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Garcia" <broones8@y...> wrote:
I just returned from Historicon, and enjoyed every minute. I played
in two tournaments, the DBM Theme, and Open. Though my scores weren't
that good I still had fun. I also enjoyed the hours
I spent in preperation for the tournys. Countless hours were spent
buying figures, painting them, and basing the army.

Because of this years "tourny theme," I was looking forward to seeing
some great looking armies, and I did. But I was severly dissapointed
when I saw armies being used that were very shabby, mismatched,
broken, badly painted, and most of all, historically inaccurate!
(Celts being used as Eastern European Knights?) Please take no
offense, but it is a great dissapointment when I spend months working
on an army, travel 2000 miles, and then see such little care and
preperation put forth.

We all would like to see DBM grow and absorb new players into the
fold, ecspecially younger players. But when I looked over at the
tables featuring games like "Warrior," and "AW, MW" not only did the
players average about 15 years younger in age, but the armies were
beautfully painted and well taken care of. Just some food for thought.
--- End forwarded message ---

DBM has become in the last 10 years the trailer park of ancient gaming
neighborhoods. Sorry, no offense but there it is. I was firmly in favor of DBM
when it came out mainly because the bloated lingering death of 7.x and the many
many variations that clouded the game into stagnation. Towards the end of the
7th era, you saw many people running crappy armies with ignorant painting and
flatly no care or concern, which detered newbies and devalued those who took
pride in presenting historically accurate and interesting armies. This is not
to shame those who tried hard with little skill, for each to his own at his
ability is a watchword of mine; rather it is a dig at those who simply didn't
care and thereby devaluing those of us that enjoy the historical and artistic
aspects of the game as much as the dice rolling. Now the careless have
gravitated away to other games mostly GW and DBM. Of course there are many in
those systems that can and do well, but alas the mass of the careless
are there as well. Only in DBA do I see consistent pride in representation,
but frankly with 12 elements it is much less time commitment (a key attractor
for many DBAers).
Now with the advent of Warrior, I see an older, more seasoned set of gamers
working a rewrite that is cogent and, thankfully, organized. I still play DBA
and DBM, as I believe in playing ancients whenever possible. Yet I continue to
return to the main game.

I for one take great pride in constructing armies, and even more take great joy
in seeing the fabulous work others put into theirs. Winning is great, but
without effort on the figs we might as well return to cardboard counters and hex
maps. My 2 quattloos, just an opinion, for what it's worth. Hopefully no one
is offended as this is a general observation and not a judgement on any
particular gaming population.

Wanax

scribblerm <jmeunier@...> wrote:
Just a little comment from the DBM list. Check the last paragraph.

--- In dbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Garcia" <broones8@y...> wrote:
I just returned from Historicon, and enjoyed every minute. I played
in two tournaments, the DBM Theme, and Open. Though my scores weren't
that good I still had fun. I also enjoyed the hours
I spent in preperation for the tournys. Countless hours were spent
buying figures, painting them, and basing the army.

Because of this years "tourny theme," I was looking forward to seeing
some great looking armies, and I did. But I was severly dissapointed
when I saw armies being used that were very shabby, mismatched,
broken, badly painted, and most of all, historically inaccurate!
(Celts being used as Eastern European Knights?) Please take no
offense, but it is a great dissapointment when I spend months working
on an army, travel 2000 miles, and then see such little care and
preperation put forth.

We all would like to see DBM grow and absorb new players into the
fold, ecspecially younger players. But when I looked over at the
tables featuring games like "Warrior," and "AW, MW" not only did the
players average about 15 years younger in age, but the armies were
beautfully painted and well taken care of. Just some food for thought.
--- End forwarded message ---



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Well, so much for the question I was going to ask, which was "How
does everybody feel about straight/converted 20mm plastics on 25mm
basing as long as they look nice..." ) It seems like most of you
guys play 25's, and frankly, with a house and two teenage kids,
current 25 pricing is a bit much for a guy who sold off all his lead
years ago and needs to rebuild...

Sigh, 15's are OK, I guess... )

Actually, a little away from topic, but would the guys who took part
in the Historicon events consider posting the details of the army
lists they used? That would be a help to both newbies assembling
their first armies, and proto-neo-newbies like myself who have
forgotten how to play ancients... )

Thanks, guys...
Shelly

Don't stop gaming for lack of figs! If you keep you eye open on ebay and
elsewhere you can find 25mm figs dirt cheap! BTW, plastic figs work great
unless at a con where other sizes are played. even then if they matched up
nicely and were painted well I doubt anyone would comment unless you absolutely
kicked their a**
Wanax

scrawfordgoaa <scrawford@...> wrote:
Well, so much for the question I was going to ask, which was "How
does everybody feel about straight/converted 20mm plastics on 25mm
basing as long as they look nice..." ) It seems like most of you
guys play 25's, and frankly, with a house and two teenage kids,
current 25 pricing is a bit much for a guy who sold off all his lead
years ago and needs to rebuild...

Sigh, 15's are OK, I guess... )

Actually, a little away from topic, but would the guys who took part
in the Historicon events consider posting the details of the army
lists they used? That would be a help to both newbies assembling
their first armies, and proto-neo-newbies like myself who have
forgotten how to play ancients... )

Thanks, guys...
Shelly


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>even then if they matched up
nicely and were painted well I doubt anyone would comment unless you
absolutely
kicked their a** :)

Heheheee... which ain't likely to happen soon... )

[scott holder]

I for one take great pride in constructing armies, and even more take great
joy in seeing the fabulous work others put into theirs. Winning is great, but
without effort on the figs we might as well return to cardboard counters and
hex maps.

>Probably the only plus of umping is the chance to see all the wonderful lead on
display. One of the reasons I kinda pushed 25mm onto 7x was the presentation
factor and the fact that the games *can* be a bit less strident and more
"enjoyable" (I can't explain it much better than that but I know it to be
true--I remember when Rob Turnball first started making the switch, he'd been a
15mm player before, and he instantly recognized the effect). That being said, I
saw a number of nice 15mm armies, the best being Bill Chriss' Paleologan
Byzantine. Oh yeah, we had a newbie who's not into tourney gaming but loves the
Warrior system, complex tho it may be. He lives in Ed Bernhart's neck of the
woods, Dave Lynch. He and I played two mini games running historical pairings,
1st was Pyrhhic (him) vs E Macedonian and 2nd Poly Roman (him) vs L Macedonian.
His figures were gorgous, plain and simple.

>Greg Croyle played in the Theme on Friday and anybody who hasn't seen Greg's
work should really take time out from their game to go see. Nobody does work
better than Greg and I mean nobody. Rob's Berbers had some nice units and most
of the medieval armies were very pretty. Several of the elephant lists were
great (I've seen most of them before) and the Midianites of Mike Kelly I
mentioned in another post just look great in 25mm.

>This is one reason I've kept the NICT in 25mm. I'm toying with the idea of
returning it to 15mm in 2005 and then alternating it in scales thereafter but
haven't gotten past the "toying with it" phase.

scott

[scott holder]

What I'll try to do in various formats, is either put lists on the egroup file
site or post em in an email. Got a trillion other things to do this week but
will try to get around to it.

-----Original Message-----
From: scrawford@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:26 AM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Fwd: Is your Armies appearence important?


Well, so much for the question I was going to ask, which was "How
does everybody feel about straight/converted 20mm plastics on 25mm
basing as long as they look nice..." ) It seems like most of you
guys play 25's, and frankly, with a house and two teenage kids,
current 25 pricing is a bit much for a guy who sold off all his lead
years ago and needs to rebuild...

Sigh, 15's are OK, I guess... )

Actually, a little away from topic, but would the guys who took part
in the Historicon events consider posting the details of the army
lists they used? That would be a help to both newbies assembling
their first armies, and proto-neo-newbies like myself who have
forgotten how to play ancients... )

Thanks, guys...
Shelly



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> What I'll try to do in various formats, is either put lists on the
egroup file site or post em in an email. Got a trillion other things
to do this week but will try to get around to it.

Thanks, Scott, whenever you get the time... That would be great!

[Phil Gardocki]

I have often heard, though not recently, the better painted army fought
better. Obviously the lead does not care, nor the die rolls change, just that
if
you take the care in appearance you probably are putting more thought into its
use as well.

Phil


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