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Todd Schneider
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Well, although I do read Turtledoves Alt History
stuff, I've never read his Videssos work.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
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Todd,
The writer of the Videssos series, Harry
Turtledove is a PHD of Byzantine history. There are
figures and they are Byzantine as the Makuran are
Sassanid Persians. Don't forget the Misplaced Legion
which are Marian Romans.
kelly
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
John,
I'd talk to Jon C. About the Videssos stuff. As of
now I am only peripherally involved with FanWar,
mainly as a Playtester and sometimes List writer.
Are their figs available for Videssos?
Todd
--- John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Todd Schneider
<thresh1642@s...> wrote:
> In reagrds to the Kilbanophoroi, is their any
> documentaion on how they fought, in what formation?
I
> would suspect the front rank was Lance armed, and
they
> were responsible for breaking into the enemy
> formation, and then the SA armed guys would follow
> through the newly created gaps and start swinging.
Oh, absolutely! One of the joys of studying and
playing Byzantines
is the sheer weight of nearly-useless hisotircal
trivia to digest in
all the extent military manuals and such.
I would argue we know more about how the folks in
Constantinople
_wanted_ their army to fight than about nearly any
other army in the
entire period covered by the Warrior rules. How that
translated into
actual battlefield usage is in some cases a bit of an
issue but the
theoretical basis is at least quite evident.
And your statement above is, I believe, essentially
what those
manuals indicate.
Speaking of FanWar, I hope, please, that Fantasy
Warrior will have
Videssos lists, divided into sub-periods for the three
series of
novels, with also a Makuran enemy to play against as
well as some of
the other nations. I am pretty sure both Paul Georgian
and Craig
Scott are big Videssos readers (I think both have
briefly mentioned
this in the past) and with their historical background
could
certainly do up some nice lists unfettered by reality.
That would sell one copy of the product to me, which I
might not
otherwise buy.
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Kelly Wilkinson
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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It's all good. I may have a copy of the misplaced legion laying around if you
like, I can bring it Monday to the shop? It's about a Caesarian legion that gets
transported (magically) to an alternate world which is much like a Commenan
Byzantine fantasy world. The Legionaires fight as mercs for the Empire of
Videssos (Byzantium) against all enemies foreign and domestic (there are plenty
of civil wars ala Byzantine!). And ofcourse you get magic in the mix too. Oh
yeah, and the books are well written too.
kelly
PS Steve has read them too.
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, although I do read Turtledoves Alt History
stuff, I've never read his Videssos work.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Todd,
The writer of the Videssos series, Harry
Turtledove is a PHD of Byzantine history. There are
figures and they are Byzantine as the Makuran are
Sassanid Persians. Don't forget the Misplaced Legion
which are Marian Romans.
kelly
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
John,
I'd talk to Jon C. About the Videssos stuff. As of
now I am only peripherally involved with FanWar,
mainly as a Playtester and sometimes List writer.
Are their figs available for Videssos?
Todd
--- John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Todd Schneider
<thresh1642@s...> wrote:
> In reagrds to the Kilbanophoroi, is their any
> documentaion on how they fought, in what formation?
I
> would suspect the front rank was Lance armed, and
they
> were responsible for breaking into the enemy
> formation, and then the SA armed guys would follow
> through the newly created gaps and start swinging.
Oh, absolutely! One of the joys of studying and
playing Byzantines
is the sheer weight of nearly-useless hisotircal
trivia to digest in
all the extent military manuals and such.
I would argue we know more about how the folks in
Constantinople
_wanted_ their army to fight than about nearly any
other army in the
entire period covered by the Warrior rules. How that
translated into
actual battlefield usage is in some cases a bit of an
issue but the
theoretical basis is at least quite evident.
And your statement above is, I believe, essentially
what those
manuals indicate.
Speaking of FanWar, I hope, please, that Fantasy
Warrior will have
Videssos lists, divided into sub-periods for the three
series of
novels, with also a Makuran enemy to play against as
well as some of
the other nations. I am pretty sure both Paul Georgian
and Craig
Scott are big Videssos readers (I think both have
briefly mentioned
this in the past) and with their historical background
could
certainly do up some nice lists unfettered by reality.
That would sell one copy of the product to me, which I
might not
otherwise buy.
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Todd Schneider
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Sure. I have an hour between two and three AM thats
going to waste :-)
See ya Monday.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
It's all good. I may have a copy of the misplaced
legion laying around if you like, I can bring it
Monday to the shop? It's about a Caesarian legion that
gets transported (magically) to an alternate world
which is much like a Commenan Byzantine fantasy world.
The Legionaires fight as mercs for the Empire of
Videssos (Byzantium) against all enemies foreign and
domestic (there are plenty of civil wars ala
Byzantine!). And ofcourse you get magic in the mix
too. Oh yeah, and the books are well written too.
kelly
PS Steve has read them too.
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, although I do read Turtledoves Alt History
stuff, I've never read his Videssos work.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Todd,
The writer of the Videssos series, Harry
Turtledove is a PHD of Byzantine history. There are
figures and they are Byzantine as the Makuran are
Sassanid Persians. Don't forget the Misplaced Legion
which are Marian Romans.
kelly
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
John,
I'd talk to Jon C. About the Videssos stuff. As of
now I am only peripherally involved with FanWar,
mainly as a Playtester and sometimes List writer.
Are their figs available for Videssos?
Todd
--- John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Todd Schneider
<thresh1642@s...> wrote:
> In reagrds to the Kilbanophoroi, is their any
> documentaion on how they fought, in what formation?
I
> would suspect the front rank was Lance armed, and
they
> were responsible for breaking into the enemy
> formation, and then the SA armed guys would follow
> through the newly created gaps and start swinging.
Oh, absolutely! One of the joys of studying and
playing Byzantines
is the sheer weight of nearly-useless hisotircal
trivia to digest in
all the extent military manuals and such.
I would argue we know more about how the folks in
Constantinople
_wanted_ their army to fight than about nearly any
other army in the
entire period covered by the Warrior rules. How that
translated into
actual battlefield usage is in some cases a bit of an
issue but the
theoretical basis is at least quite evident.
And your statement above is, I believe, essentially
what those
manuals indicate.
Speaking of FanWar, I hope, please, that Fantasy
Warrior will have
Videssos lists, divided into sub-periods for the three
series of
novels, with also a Makuran enemy to play against as
well as some of
the other nations. I am pretty sure both Paul Georgian
and Craig
Scott are big Videssos readers (I think both have
briefly mentioned
this in the past) and with their historical background
could
certainly do up some nice lists unfettered by reality.
That would sell one copy of the product to me, which I
might not
otherwise buy.
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Kelly Wilkinson
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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lol! Okay. Now, what about those berbers?
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:Sure. I have an hour between
two and three AM thats
going to waste :-)
See ya Monday.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
It's all good. I may have a copy of the misplaced
legion laying around if you like, I can bring it
Monday to the shop? It's about a Caesarian legion that
gets transported (magically) to an alternate world
which is much like a Commenan Byzantine fantasy world.
The Legionaires fight as mercs for the Empire of
Videssos (Byzantium) against all enemies foreign and
domestic (there are plenty of civil wars ala
Byzantine!). And ofcourse you get magic in the mix
too. Oh yeah, and the books are well written too.
kelly
PS Steve has read them too.
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, although I do read Turtledoves Alt History
stuff, I've never read his Videssos work.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Todd,
The writer of the Videssos series, Harry
Turtledove is a PHD of Byzantine history. There are
figures and they are Byzantine as the Makuran are
Sassanid Persians. Don't forget the Misplaced Legion
which are Marian Romans.
kelly
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
John,
I'd talk to Jon C. About the Videssos stuff. As of
now I am only peripherally involved with FanWar,
mainly as a Playtester and sometimes List writer.
Are their figs available for Videssos?
Todd
--- John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Todd Schneider
<thresh1642@s...> wrote:
> In reagrds to the Kilbanophoroi, is their any
> documentaion on how they fought, in what formation?
I
> would suspect the front rank was Lance armed, and
they
> were responsible for breaking into the enemy
> formation, and then the SA armed guys would follow
> through the newly created gaps and start swinging.
Oh, absolutely! One of the joys of studying and
playing Byzantines
is the sheer weight of nearly-useless hisotircal
trivia to digest in
all the extent military manuals and such.
I would argue we know more about how the folks in
Constantinople
_wanted_ their army to fight than about nearly any
other army in the
entire period covered by the Warrior rules. How that
translated into
actual battlefield usage is in some cases a bit of an
issue but the
theoretical basis is at least quite evident.
And your statement above is, I believe, essentially
what those
manuals indicate.
Speaking of FanWar, I hope, please, that Fantasy
Warrior will have
Videssos lists, divided into sub-periods for the three
series of
novels, with also a Makuran enemy to play against as
well as some of
the other nations. I am pretty sure both Paul Georgian
and Craig
Scott are big Videssos readers (I think both have
briefly mentioned
this in the past) and with their historical background
could
certainly do up some nice lists unfettered by reality.
That would sell one copy of the product to me, which I
might not
otherwise buy.
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Todd Schneider
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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Actually, I am going full bore in getting my
aracanians up and done.
That being said, If I get uou a list of elements, may
I borrow them as proxies while I get mine painted up?
I'll let you know what I need on Sunday?
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
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lol! Okay. Now, what about those berbers?
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:Sure.
I have an hour between two and three AM thats
going to waste :-)
See ya Monday.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
It's all good. I may have a copy of the misplaced
legion laying around if you like, I can bring it
Monday to the shop? It's about a Caesarian legion that
gets transported (magically) to an alternate world
which is much like a Commenan Byzantine fantasy world.
The Legionaires fight as mercs for the Empire of
Videssos (Byzantium) against all enemies foreign and
domestic (there are plenty of civil wars ala
Byzantine!). And ofcourse you get magic in the mix
too. Oh yeah, and the books are well written too.
kelly
PS Steve has read them too.
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, although I do read Turtledoves Alt History
stuff, I've never read his Videssos work.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Todd,
The writer of the Videssos series, Harry
Turtledove is a PHD of Byzantine history. There are
figures and they are Byzantine as the Makuran are
Sassanid Persians. Don't forget the Misplaced Legion
which are Marian Romans.
kelly
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
John,
I'd talk to Jon C. About the Videssos stuff. As of
now I am only peripherally involved with FanWar,
mainly as a Playtester and sometimes List writer.
Are their figs available for Videssos?
Todd
--- John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Todd Schneider
<thresh1642@s...> wrote:
> In reagrds to the Kilbanophoroi, is their any
> documentaion on how they fought, in what formation?
I
> would suspect the front rank was Lance armed, and
they
> were responsible for breaking into the enemy
> formation, and then the SA armed guys would follow
> through the newly created gaps and start swinging.
Oh, absolutely! One of the joys of studying and
playing Byzantines
is the sheer weight of nearly-useless hisotircal
trivia to digest in
all the extent military manuals and such.
I would argue we know more about how the folks in
Constantinople
_wanted_ their army to fight than about nearly any
other army in the
entire period covered by the Warrior rules. How that
translated into
actual battlefield usage is in some cases a bit of an
issue but the
theoretical basis is at least quite evident.
And your statement above is, I believe, essentially
what those
manuals indicate.
Speaking of FanWar, I hope, please, that Fantasy
Warrior will have
Videssos lists, divided into sub-periods for the three
series of
novels, with also a Makuran enemy to play against as
well as some of
the other nations. I am pretty sure both Paul Georgian
and Craig
Scott are big Videssos readers (I think both have
briefly mentioned
this in the past) and with their historical background
could
certainly do up some nice lists unfettered by reality.
That would sell one copy of the product to me, which I
might not
otherwise buy.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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Sure. I have an hour between two and three AM thats
going to waste  >>
You can say no.
And it isn't going to waste if I am paying you...lol
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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Sure. I have an hour between two and three AM thats
going to waste >>
You can say no.
And it isn't going to waste if I am paying you...lol.>>
See Ewan, why I usually am very careful about which list or address I am
responding to...lol
Usually...
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Ewan McNay
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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I really wasn't going to inquire exactly what you were paying for
between 2 and 3 a.m., honest...
JonCleaves@... wrote:
> Sure. I have an hour between two and three AM thats
> going to waste >>
>
> You can say no.
>
> And it isn't going to waste if I am paying you...lol.>>
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> See Ewan, why I usually am very careful about which list or address I am
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I really wasn't going to inquire exactly what you were paying for
between 2 and 3 a.m., honest...>>
damn Warrior diagrams....honest...lol
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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but inquiring minds want to know...
Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@...> wrote:
I really wasn't going to inquire exactly what you were paying for
between 2 and 3 a.m., honest...
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Mike Bard
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: Re: List Design Philosophy |
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There's a much easier way to do this, and you can even do it at a NICT
tournament. Just field a late Minoan and Mycenean army with a unit of Irreg
A Myrmidons. Dismount the required general and have him join the unit as
Achilles. Given that he is a general, then only a down 3 roll on his part
can cause him to die. Though this is tough enough, the obvious response
from the Greek player is 'that was Patrocolus'.
Christian Cameron has a dismounted figure of Achilles leading his Myrmidons
carrying a custom shield made out of silver that he had a silversmith
make...
Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy
> > Oh my goodness! Bill, I suggest that Achillies is invincible to all
> > but an up 3 average die roll from shooting/support shooting. What do
> > you think about that?
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> Oh my goodness! Bill, I suggest that Achillies is invincible to all
> but an up 3 average die roll from shooting/support shooting. What do
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Much better. I should have thought that post through more. But only if
shot at short range from the rear (an overhead shot wouldn't hit his
heel).
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> It seems that legionaires and for that matter,
> Argyraspids from the Seleucid army, were able to
> deploy and move through broken terrain and
> effectively
> fight in said terrain as the march on Beth Zacharia
And not just Reg armies. In The History of the
Franks, early Frankish armies under Mummulus were
twice described as moving rapidly through roadless
forests using foot paths to outflank the enemy, even
though they fight as MI.
Question for History buffs: Once was vs. the "Italian
Saxons". Did Gregory mean the Ostrogoths, or some
other group, or were there Saxons in N. Italy?
They're not Lombards, he talks about them elsewhere.
Al Ronnfeldt
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I might be able to help. Let me know what you need.
kw
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Actually, I am going full bore in getting my
aracanians up and done.
That being said, If I get uou a list of elements, may
I borrow them as proxies while I get mine painted up?
I'll let you know what I need on Sunday?
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
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lol! Okay. Now, what about those berbers?
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:Sure.
I have an hour between two and three AM thats
going to waste :-)
See ya Monday.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
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It's all good. I may have a copy of the misplaced
legion laying around if you like, I can bring it
Monday to the shop? It's about a Caesarian legion that
gets transported (magically) to an alternate world
which is much like a Commenan Byzantine fantasy world.
The Legionaires fight as mercs for the Empire of
Videssos (Byzantium) against all enemies foreign and
domestic (there are plenty of civil wars ala
Byzantine!). And ofcourse you get magic in the mix
too. Oh yeah, and the books are well written too.
kelly
PS Steve has read them too.
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, although I do read Turtledoves Alt History
stuff, I've never read his Videssos work.
Todd
--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
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Todd,
The writer of the Videssos series, Harry
Turtledove is a PHD of Byzantine history. There are
figures and they are Byzantine as the Makuran are
Sassanid Persians. Don't forget the Misplaced Legion
which are Marian Romans.
kelly
Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
John,
I'd talk to Jon C. About the Videssos stuff. As of
now I am only peripherally involved with FanWar,
mainly as a Playtester and sometimes List writer.
Are their figs available for Videssos?
Todd
--- John <jjmurphy@...> wrote:
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--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Todd Schneider
<thresh1642@s...> wrote:
> In reagrds to the Kilbanophoroi, is their any
> documentaion on how they fought, in what formation?
I
> would suspect the front rank was Lance armed, and
they
> were responsible for breaking into the enemy
> formation, and then the SA armed guys would follow
> through the newly created gaps and start swinging.
Oh, absolutely! One of the joys of studying and
playing Byzantines
is the sheer weight of nearly-useless hisotircal
trivia to digest in
all the extent military manuals and such.
I would argue we know more about how the folks in
Constantinople
_wanted_ their army to fight than about nearly any
other army in the
entire period covered by the Warrior rules. How that
translated into
actual battlefield usage is in some cases a bit of an
issue but the
theoretical basis is at least quite evident.
And your statement above is, I believe, essentially
what those
manuals indicate.
Speaking of FanWar, I hope, please, that Fantasy
Warrior will have
Videssos lists, divided into sub-periods for the three
series of
novels, with also a Makuran enemy to play against as
well as some of
the other nations. I am pretty sure both Paul Georgian
and Craig
Scott are big Videssos readers (I think both have
briefly mentioned
this in the past) and with their historical background
could
certainly do up some nice lists unfettered by reality.
That would sell one copy of the product to me, which I
might not
otherwise buy.
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lol! :)
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