Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Hey,
You need to get to repainting that Itallian Condotta army you sold to Phil
under my nose! So I can pay you an outrageous price!

Kelly

David Smith <davidsmith@...> wrote:
"Holder, Scott" wrote:
We had our biggest NICT *ever* this year.....and it was in 25mm--and
that from back in the days when TOG was the ONLY game in town.
Having 16 tables engaged in 25mm games does many things that 15mm
simply does not. 1) The public display is impressive. 2) Games can
go faster because of the table to scale ratio that we debate
endlessly in here. 3) See #1, because of that, we "compete" better
with another 25mm-only gaming system that shall go nameless but
involves lotsa dice:).
*********************************************************************
<DS> I am on a couple of other Yahoo groups devoted to different
rules set, and I must tell you that on these groups the NICT Warrior
event at H-con last year created quite impressive threads on said
groups. In particular, that game that uses mainly 15mm and is
labeled as 'too abstract', had many, many participants salivating
over the impressive Warrior games and tourney. Likewise, in another
system that specializes in 25mm and lotsa dice, many complimentary
comments came forth after the NICT. You definitely got the
attention of those gamers, and IMO is the first step in getting them
to try it out.

Haven't mentioned this to anyone yet, but I am busily painting up a
25mm army to coincide with next years Historicon theme. My plan is
to enter into the Warrior theme or Open mini, the DBM theme or Open,
and to do an AAR for Spearpoint/Slingshot to share my experiences.
I'm doing my favorite all time army.

Dave



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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Very true Sir! And I might add they are very fun indeed. But I think it would be
nice if we could graduate to 1250 points soon. And if you feel not having enough
armies is a problem, well. . . Between You, Scott, and myself, I bet we could
contaminate several acres with lead soldiers!

kelly

JonCleaves@... wrote:
In a message dated 12/18/2003 20:03:31 Central Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:
I think we should have a poll on whether we could have both 25's and 15's
for the NICT, but have a 15mm at another time and location, say, KC or Big
D?
We have two tourneys a year in KC proper. So far they have been 15mm only.


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Well Dave you know about my kind. . .

kelly

DBeeson <dbeeson@...> wrote:
LOL!
Yea, the bank account would get hit.
Ok, how many people go to more than one out of town tourneys a year? I could
be wrong, but I get the impression that quite a few folks attend more than
one a year, no?
David
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[Kelly Wilkinson]

I would go for that! and we could do it playing with 2,000 points to a side and
play it on a mini sized table!

Kelly

JamieWGIII@... wrote:
I think that this year we need to have the first time NICT in 6mm.

Jamie Gentry
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 06:48:08 Central Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:
Jon,
Ok, so what would it take for you to like this idea once again?
Let me say again, I am not saying to move the 25mm NICT, just have a 15mm at
another time and location.
I know I'm a hard headed Texan but what's wrong with starting small?
Miniature Companies will show up and support an event
if enough people show on a consistent basis, a 15mm NICT might be a good
draw. How many would it take?
How many players are now on this group? This is one of the best ways to
advertise such an event.
David
Well, for starters, Dave, I am opposed to the idea of two things called the
NICT. There should be only one champion a year, whether the event is FHE or
NASAMW run.


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 08:12:10 Central Standard Time,
dbeeson@... writes:
I'd like to say that you and Scott have no imagination when it comes to the
two NICT champs, but I know that's totally not true.
Personally, I am completely opposed to the idea of 'two champs' of anything.

I know you all have a boat load on your plate, I guess no one else would
love to see a 15mm NICT and or a big Con in another location
It would have to be at another big con, for starters. Had you one in mind?
KC, St Louis and even the Denver cons are all too small. GenCon and Origins
are too light on historical miniatures. Is there a big historical miniatures
con in the south that might be a good fit? Would people attend this in greater
numbers than they do HCon?

One of the central points Scott is making is that if they were to move it,
we'd lose 25% -50% of the players we have in it now just to gain a handful and
as long as that is true, this isn't a good idea. This is besides the fact that
there currently isn't a con out here that is right for an NICT in Warrior.

Jon


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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 9:54:29 AM Central Standard Time, gar@...
writes:
P.S. Scott ... we are sorry that you had a bad experience, but in
this case, it is quite true that right now, I'm the only one in South
Texas that owns a 25mm army. To have expected better attendance was
perhaps unrealistic.
True enough. But we have offered to lend 25mm lead to those folks that we
know. There is also that poor soul who came to Fort Worth Wars with you last
year and had his late Romans turned up side down by the GW clod. So there are
actually two of you down there. :^) If I remember correctly, the whole
conversation beforehand was about who could come and who could lend lead.
People
who had replied affirmatively that they were going to come just didn't show.
Scott brought a fair bit down and believe me, we hauled a fair amount of lead
and terrain up to OKC. We ended up playing a 3500 point per side game on a 24ft
table with lots of lead left in the boxes. I've stopped holding my breath
waiting for the 25mm armies you guys are working on down there. I just love the
sensation of breathing way too much. Now, I just anxiously await your
finished products.

I'm seeing all of the no- troops in the flank sectors and 480 pace rear zones
being purported to accelerate games. Just appears to my tired old eyes as
though you are subconsiously attempting to get a 25mm feel in a 15mm game. So
take the plunge. It isn't cost prohibitive if you buy a bag or two at a time
and just paint them until you are finished. Buying an army all at once can be
scary, but I know from my exactly 4 visits to Dibbles that they carry 25mm
stuff, and at least once I found it on sale. Also there is a site in Canada
that
sells not only Foundry but OG and others at US dollar rates but in Canadian
dollars, essentially gaining a 30% discount.

John Green roped me into 25's. It hurt a bit financially at first, but I
will never look back. I have not painted a 15mm figure in 4 years. Probably
never will again. The best that I can tell, the only reason anyone up here is
still painting 15's is to have troops to play you South Texans with and maybe to
allieviate some of the pain of traveling with the beloved 25's. But just
like with kids, experience teaches you the proper way to buckle them in and then
you feel safe taking them with you on trips.
Chris


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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 9:12:36 AM Central Standard Time,
Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:
is going to happen at a set location-that is a little more friendlier to
travelers, natural locations would be DFW, OKC, KC, CHI
Not to beat a dead horse here. It is very apparent that no change is in the
works any time soon. I support this, although I empathize with the sentiment
for a large tournament in the more central us. The hard truth, guys is that
greater than 60% of the gamers live on or near the eastern seaboard. Philly,
Washington national or BWI are just as accessible by flight for us as any of
the sites listed above are for those you would ask to travel. Since so many
gamers live back east, we would be asking far more of them to travel in order to
make our commute less painful. Probably not the best course of action.

Greg nailed the salient point. We have to demonstrate a demand before we can
ask for the supply. Fort Worth Wars barely draws a half dozen vendors. It
is probably the largest convention in this slice of the country and we can't
even get 10 guys to show up for Warrior. A NICT is no guarantee that we can
draw more. Lets walk before we try to sprint. Maybe FWW is not the venue. But
we should demonstrate a run of maybe 3 years consecutively where we can draw
more than our 12 stalwarts before we ask for tournament recognition, much less
National acclaim. Kinda like the El Paso bowl telling the BCS what a great
boon it would be to hold the National Championship there.
Chris


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Jon,
Ok, so what would it take for you to like this idea once again?
Let me say again, I am not saying to move the 25mm NICT, just have a 15mm at
another time and location.
I know I'm a hard headed Texan but what's wrong with starting small?
Miniature Companies will show up and support an event
if enough people show on a consistent basis, a 15mm NICT might be a good
draw. How many would it take?
How many players are now on this group? This is one of the best ways to
advertise such an event.
David
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: NICT Poll and 25mm Scale


> In a message dated 12/18/2003 21:15:58 Central Standard Time,
> dbeeson@... writes:
> Jon,
> I would commit to KC for a Big event every year. KC is in the heartland
and
> easier for a lot of folks to get to.
> How cool would it be for someone to be both the 15mm and the 25mm champ,
it
> does open up some great possibilities.
> David
> The NICT 'belongs' to NASAMW. At the moment anyway. 99% of national
> championship tourneys are put on by the game company in question and not a
> non-profit.
> At some point in the future, FHE may 'take control' of the Warrior
national
> tourney, but not for some time, if ever.
>
> For now, there is no way even I would support calling for a move of the
NICT
> without a huge groundswell of support - even bigger than we had in Denver
in
> 92. HCon is its home and is the premier historical miniatures event in
the
> country. For me to recommend moving it - even if it were FHE run - would
take an
> appropriate venue (KC cons not the solution) and a clear majority of the
> players desiring it.
>
> I was giving Scott grief earlier, but he's right - you can 'say' that we
> ought to 'poll everyone', but there are those who get to the big events
and those
> who talk about it. I wouldn't even think about moving it unless we had
the
> support of those who actually get qualified and make the trip. They have
> committed the time, effort and money to do so year after year - other
stuff is
> speculation.
>
> There is the issue of public relations. A non-HCon national event is in
> danger of being a tree falling in a forest. We made huge strides for
Warrior last
> summer with a superbly attended, classy looking and well-run event - and
> everyone saw it. If we had a nationals in a Warrior-only venue, what
would that
> do for recruiting?
>
> In 92 we had a lot of support from the playership for a try at a different
> site. Genghis Con (one of my favorite events) had a large, thriving
ancients
> community and was better attended in those days. The KC cons are very
small
> affairs and all the ancients players are us, with a few hardy souls who
make the
> trip from one state away.
>
> A non-HCon nationals in the center of the country would help certain folks
> travel there a little eaiser. All the other parts of that idea are
currently in
> the negative column.
>
> I was one of the most vocal proponents for moving it around, but I would
not
> be again unless I saw the same conditions come together.
>
> Jon
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 11:50:52 Central Standard Time,
thresh1642@... writes:
Instead of trying to get together a big tournament and
call it a NICT, why not make it regional, and then
have a "Western Invitiational" at a bigger tournament
such as GhengisCon in Denver?
This is a much better initial idea. The last area where DBM has us is in the
size and number of its regional events. I say we work on making a big one of
these first.


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Jon,
I'd like to say that you and Scott have no imagination when it comes to the
two NICT champs, but I know that's totally not true.
I know you all have a boat load on your plate, I guess no one else would
love to see a 15mm NICT and or a big Con in another location
You both keep saying " not anytime soon..." etc., well I guess it will be
never, if it never starts.
Come on guys! No one is up for this?
I'm e-mailing in the Wilderness here:)
David " Hard Headed Texan " Beeson
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To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: NICT Poll and 25mm Scale


> In a message dated 12/19/2003 06:48:08 Central Standard Time,
> dbeeson@... writes:
> Jon,
> Ok, so what would it take for you to like this idea once again?
> Let me say again, I am not saying to move the 25mm NICT, just have a 15mm
at
> another time and location.
> I know I'm a hard headed Texan but what's wrong with starting small?
> Miniature Companies will show up and support an event
> if enough people show on a consistent basis, a 15mm NICT might be a good
> draw. How many would it take?
> How many players are now on this group? This is one of the best ways to
> advertise such an event.
> David
> Well, for starters, Dave, I am opposed to the idea of two things called
the
> NICT. There should be only one champion a year, whether the event is FHE
or
> NASAMW run.
>
>
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[Greg Regets]

Big Dave ...

We know you are hard headed, being a very good offensive linemen from
years gone past, but I think there is a reason you are not getting
support for something in the midwest.

Remember about two years ago (roughly) the Dallas guys had a
tournament in, I believe OKC, and none of the South Texas group
attended?

To call for a NICT tournament up there now ... welll, my hypocracy
does have some limits!

g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "DBeeson" <dbeeson@s...> wrote:
> Jon,
> I'd like to say that you and Scott have no imagination when it
comes to the
> two NICT champs, but I know that's totally not true.
> I know you all have a boat load on your plate, I guess no one else
would
> love to see a 15mm NICT and or a big Con in another location
> You both keep saying " not anytime soon..." etc., well I guess it
will be
> never, if it never starts.
> Come on guys! No one is up for this?
> I'm e-mailing in the Wilderness here:)
> David " Hard Headed Texan " Beeson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JonCleaves@a...>
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: NICT Poll and 25mm Scale
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/19/2003 06:48:08 Central Standard Time,
> > dbeeson@s... writes:
> > Jon,
> > Ok, so what would it take for you to like this idea once again?
> > Let me say again, I am not saying to move the 25mm NICT, just
have a 15mm
> at
> > another time and location.
> > I know I'm a hard headed Texan but what's wrong with starting
small?
> > Miniature Companies will show up and support an event
> > if enough people show on a consistent basis, a 15mm NICT might be
a good
> > draw. How many would it take?
> > How many players are now on this group? This is one of the best
ways to
> > advertise such an event.
> > David
> > Well, for starters, Dave, I am opposed to the idea of two things
called
> the
> > NICT. There should be only one champion a year, whether the
event is FHE
> or
> > NASAMW run.
> >
> >
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[scott holder]

Remember about two years ago (roughly) the Dallas guys had a
tournament in, I believe OKC, and none of the South Texas group
attended?

>Ahem, it was this year. I went down, took a day off of work to do it and then
went home.

scott

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 14:04:08 Central Standard Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:
Other areas with an unknown or very small player base is the Denver area,
Denver would be my objective if I stay in the KC area. I would start lining
up Warrior events at their cons (Feb, Sept). But it would take a lot of work
as DBM/WAB are well entrenched and they still have not rid themselves enitrely
of the old 7th 'bad feelings' from the events of 91-93. What I would do is
start with the Sept con and have a Fast Warrior event with the help of KC
buddies and do the terrain up right and have our usual extremely-well-rpized
event.
Better if we could do it in 25mm

The better long -term idea is to work on Denver (and places like it) with
Warrior Battles first - which is why my first priority is to get that done no
matter whether i stay in this area or not.

Jon


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[Harlan Garrett]

Greg,

Dave as me to post this for him. Remember that OKC tournament was 25-mm
one-day tournament which natural draws less people since most gamers do not
have 25-mm army(ies). I am talking about a 15-mm "national" tournament that
is going to happen at a set location-that is a little more friendlier to
travelers, natural locations would be DFW, OKC, KC, CHI. Naturally we know,
the first year attendance is going to be light, but as we continue to host
it, it will pick up steam and grow. I am not talking about replacing the
25-mm NICT, but just supplementing it.

Dave,
Via An Interpreter
Harlan

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets [mailto:gar@...]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:40 AM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: NICT Poll and 25mm Scale


Big Dave ...

We know you are hard headed, being a very good offensive linemen from
years gone past, but I think there is a reason you are not getting
support for something in the midwest.

Remember about two years ago (roughly) the Dallas guys had a
tournament in, I believe OKC, and none of the South Texas group
attended?

To call for a NICT tournament up there now ... welll, my hypocracy
does have some limits!

g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "DBeeson" <dbeeson@s...> wrote:
> Jon,
> I'd like to say that you and Scott have no imagination when it
comes to the
> two NICT champs, but I know that's totally not true.
> I know you all have a boat load on your plate, I guess no one else
would
> love to see a 15mm NICT and or a big Con in another location You both
> keep saying " not anytime soon..." etc., well I guess it
will be
> never, if it never starts.
> Come on guys! No one is up for this?
> I'm e-mailing in the Wilderness here:)
> David " Hard Headed Texan " Beeson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JonCleaves@a...>
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: NICT Poll and 25mm Scale
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/19/2003 06:48:08 Central Standard Time,
> > dbeeson@s... writes: Jon,
> > Ok, so what would it take for you to like this idea once again?
> > Let me say again, I am not saying to move the 25mm NICT, just
have a 15mm
> at
> > another time and location.
> > I know I'm a hard headed Texan but what's wrong with starting
small?
> > Miniature Companies will show up and support an event
> > if enough people show on a consistent basis, a 15mm NICT might be
a good
> > draw. How many would it take?
> > How many players are now on this group? This is one of the best
ways to
> > advertise such an event.
> > David
> > Well, for starters, Dave, I am opposed to the idea of two things
called
> the
> > NICT. There should be only one champion a year, whether the
event is FHE
> or
> > NASAMW run.
> >
> >
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