Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Garlic]

Hi All,

I like the samurai myself and agree with the 2HCT/1HCW option. As a matter
of fact I like them so much that another box of unpainted lead arrived today.
Except for Carthaginians, the lists I've been waiting for are here!

I liked Martin's analysis. I think I will be going with the longbows simply
because I really don't see the Japanese bow as a 'regular' bow. I pretty much
like the pedestrian option. The dismount option is nice, but I don't like
the idea of paying that much extra for horseflesh. Still toying with optimal
unit sizes, but hope to figure that out across the table.

I am curious if anyone knows any good websites that talk you through making
your own water type transfers. My hand just isn't steady enough for some of
the small mons. There are a lot of good samurai sites out there, but they
mostly seem to deal with late 1500s. I'm more interested in early 1300s. My
biggest fear about samurai is my ability to do them justice on the paint bench.
They are coming along though :-)

If painting makes it, hope to be test driving Kusunoki Masashige and the guys
this spring!

John Garlic

In a message dated 2/16/2005 3:06:46 PM Central Standard Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:
That's what I get for reading a post on this board without checking
the actual book.>>

No sweat, Martin - you're hardly alone.... ;)

Seriously, take a look at 2HCT/1HCW...


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I just recieved my copy of Oriental Warrior and I'm pretty excited
about the "Feudal Japanese" army. I've never bought into the myth
of the Samurai (that is to say their supposed moral and physical
superiority that modern pop culture likes to push) but I have
always found Medieval Japanese armies to be colorful and exotic.
Therefore back in the mid '90s, for about a year, I ran a Japanese
army from the 7th edition Eastern army book.

I think we can all agree that the big failings of Samurai armies
under the old 6th edition book, the NASAMW list, or the 7th edition
lists were their extreme vunerability to missle fire due to lack of
shields and lack of skirmishing troops. To counter the former I
used to run my Samurai units with the front rank as "irrA" EHI,
LTS. This solved the shooting problems and they usually very
roughly handled any troops silly enough to stand still long enough
for the Samurai to catch them. However, the rules for EHI meant
that if I ever got them into contact (and that was a big IF due to
their lack of mobility) they were usually already tired.

The I think the new list solves these problems. LEHI seems to be a
god-send for Samurai fanciers combining the high mobility with a
minimization of their lack of shields in both shooting and melee.
To this add the large amount of bowfire potential (the late list I
ran years ago stripped most Samurai of their bows), the ability to
field large numbers of Light infantry archers, and the option to
upgrade the mounted to HK or even EHK and I think this list just
became playible. Not that it's a killer army. It still has it's
weaknesses. For example a light cavalry army will still give it
fits.

So let me ask the following questions:
-What do the folks here think of this list and how would you run it?
-What is the best option for foot Samurai armement? 1HCW, 2HCW, or
2HCT? I tend to lean toward the latter two as 1HCW was
recently "nerfed" by losing it's ability to fight 1.5 ranks.
-What about the cavalry? What options for them are best?
-Would running mixed Samurai/Ashigaru units be wise?
-Bow or Longbow?



That's enough for right now. It's time to get back to popping my
Samurai army off it's close order bases and touching up a 15 year
old paint job.

Thanks all!

Martin

[joncleaves]

-What is the best option for foot Samurai armement? 1HCW, 2HCW, or
2HCT? I tend to lean toward the latter two as 1HCW was
recently "nerfed" by losing it's ability to fight 1.5 ranks.>>

Whoa, hold everything...lol 1HCW fights 1.5 ALL the time. Where did you get
other info from??

And my answer to your question is 2HCT/1HCW....

J

.
>
> Whoa, hold everything...lol 1HCW fights 1.5 ALL the time. Where
did you get other info from??
>
> And my answer to your question is 2HCT/1HCW....

Oopsie.

That's what I get for reading a post on this board without checking
the actual book. Scratch my remark about 1HCW being "nurfed".

Martin

[joncleaves]

Oopsie.

That's what I get for reading a post on this board without checking
the actual book.>>

No sweat, Martin - you're hardly alone.... ;)

Seriously, take a look at 2HCT/1HCW...

J

[Ed Kollmer]

Funny you should ask!!!
My son Matt has a samurai army, that he played back a couple of
years ago. Did OK but ran into the same problem. He never rebased
them to EHI, so they just sat.He is pretty good painter, so they
looked pretty nice.
Well I got my OW also and needed an army for this Sunday at
BillLow's, so I said HMMMMM let's look at the Feudal Jap.So I chose
them.
The army has no LI painted so I am going without them. Bascially,
his army is Samurai,Ashigaru,Monks, with a couple of Cav elements.
Therefore, I am going with about 3 x 6el 1/2 samurai 1/2 Ashigaru
front rank 2HCT since the Ashigaru just have LB.Then I ran out of
Ashigaru so about 3x6el of Samurai 1hcw lb and 2x6elMONKs
I went with the 2HCT with the ashigaaru since they couldn't fight
wanted the -1, felt the 1hcw was better for the full samurai units
I am planning on basically putting down a lot of brush, I will be
outscounted so fighta defensive battle.
I will let you know how it goes. I don't expect any big victories,
but want to see how it fights.
Now that I let out my strategy, I can expect some interesting
challenges on Sunday
EDK







--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <mwolverton@h...>
wrote:
>
> I just recieved my copy of Oriental Warrior and I'm pretty excited
> about the "Feudal Japanese" army. I've never bought into the myth
> of the Samurai (that is to say their supposed moral and physical
> superiority that modern pop culture likes to push) but I have
> always found Medieval Japanese armies to be colorful and exotic.
> Therefore back in the mid '90s, for about a year, I ran a
Japanese
> army from the 7th edition Eastern army book.
>
> I think we can all agree that the big failings of Samurai armies
> under the old 6th edition book, the NASAMW list, or the 7th
edition
> lists were their extreme vunerability to missle fire due to lack
of
> shields and lack of skirmishing troops. To counter the former I
> used to run my Samurai units with the front rank as "irrA" EHI,
> LTS. This solved the shooting problems and they usually very
> roughly handled any troops silly enough to stand still long enough
> for the Samurai to catch them. However, the rules for EHI meant
> that if I ever got them into contact (and that was a big IF due
to
> their lack of mobility) they were usually already tired.
>
> The I think the new list solves these problems. LEHI seems to be
a
> god-send for Samurai fanciers combining the high mobility with a
> minimization of their lack of shields in both shooting and melee.
> To this add the large amount of bowfire potential (the late list I
> ran years ago stripped most Samurai of their bows), the ability to
> field large numbers of Light infantry archers, and the option to
> upgrade the mounted to HK or even EHK and I think this list just
> became playible. Not that it's a killer army. It still has it's
> weaknesses. For example a light cavalry army will still give it
> fits.
>
> So let me ask the following questions:
> -What do the folks here think of this list and how would you run
it?
> -What is the best option for foot Samurai armement? 1HCW, 2HCW, or
> 2HCT? I tend to lean toward the latter two as 1HCW was
> recently "nerfed" by losing it's ability to fight 1.5 ranks.
> -What about the cavalry? What options for them are best?
> -Would running mixed Samurai/Ashigaru units be wise?
> -Bow or Longbow?
>
>
>
> That's enough for right now. It's time to get back to popping my
> Samurai army off it's close order bases and touching up a 15 year
> old paint job.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Martin

[Greg Preston]

Re: water transfers-
I use a different approach to this type of challenge. Rather than
making a water transfer- I use a computer printout.
I prepare the design in a graphics program (my fav. is Photoshop- but
any will do). Scan, scale, touch-up, and colour match to the paints I
use. I then use a high quality colour printer to print the design out
onto a set of computer labels (the type you use for bulk mailing
addresses)

The designs are then "cut-out" with a exacto knife, and glued in place
onto the figure/standard/shield etc.

A bit of a touch-up with some "real" paint around the edges and
shadowing etc and a coat of matt or gloss over the whole thing and you
are done.

Greg Preston


On 17/02/2005, at 12:01, jmgarlic@... wrote:

> am curious if anyone knows any good websites that talk you through
> making
> your own water type transfers. 


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