Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

New Orleans (gulf South) is hosting Worlds DBM tourney. They were selected
two years ago.... and I believe they were avoiding the back to back
conventions and instead have twistercon next year.

But this may be only DBM ...but i dont think so. I think whole convention
canceled but you might write monty walls and find out.



Regards,
Vaughn McCurry



"When Men feel that strongly about an issue, yet refuse to name it, when
they fight savagely for some seemingly incoherent, unintelligible goal --
one may be sure that their actual goal would not stand public
identification. Let us therefore endeavor to identify it."

Ayn Rand

"....The poor are are enslaved and the rich are expropriated in favor of the
ruling clique- facism is not the product of the political "right" but of the
"left", that the basic issue is not "rich versus poor", but man versus the
State, or individual rights versus totalitarian government which means :
capitalism versus socialism."

Ayn Rand


nEW o


>From: JonCleaves@...
>Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] TwisterCon
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:23:45 EST
>
>In a message dated 12/18/2002 18:23:34 Central Standard Time,
>vaughn_mccurry@... writes:
>
> > Is it even happening....I am thinking it is canceled this year due to
>the
> > WORLDS in New Orleans.
> >
> >
>
>Worlds what???
>
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I have both rule sets and this is a big deal on this side of the game. This
ends up being a very large tourney with literally world competition from
england, South africa, australia, New Zealand and the likes. DBM has kept
the drive on much of the conventions in that it is many times {in the sw
anyway} that we help establish and organize the convention. I started the
Austin Milllenium again a couple of years ago with DBM in mind especially
since Rob had been burnt out......hoping to help provide a venue for many
other things and other peopl eto enjoy. Now it has taken life and has others
running and organizing .....I look forward to maybe playing Warrior tourney
here sometime ......



Regards,
Vaughn McCurry



"When Men feel that strongly about an issue, yet refuse to name it, when
they fight savagely for some seemingly incoherent, unintelligible goal --
one may be sure that their actual goal would not stand public
identification. Let us therefore endeavor to identify it."

Ayn Rand

"....The poor are are enslaved and the rich are expropriated in favor of the
ruling clique- facism is not the product of the political "right" but of the
"left", that the basic issue is not "rich versus poor", but man versus the
State, or individual rights versus totalitarian government which means :
capitalism versus socialism."

Ayn Rand





>From: JonCleaves@...
>Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] TwisterCon
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:57:19 EST
>
>DBM 'Worlds' cancel Twistercon? Man, you guys need help...lol
>
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[joncleaves]

Yes, Chris, I am sure the 'worlds' would not be sufficient to cancel T-con.
And yes, we'd like to think we will have even more than 8 Warrior guys there,
since once I have a date I am going to try to get as many of our KC guys down
there as possible.


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 12/19/2002 07:22:13 Central Standard Time,
Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:

> Jon,
>
> Do you think any of the KC guys would be interested in the Warrior
> Tournament that we are holding on 1-2 FEB 02 in Arlington, TX (Dallas-Fort
> Worth Area)?
>
> Harlan
>

Possible. That's a long way away and T-con, Cold Wars, Genghis Con, Call to
Arms and Nashcon are already on the plate. Have to see.


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[Harlan Garrett]

Jon,

Do you think any of the KC guys would be interested in the Warrior
Tournament that we are holding on 1-2 FEB 02 in Arlington, TX (Dallas-Fort
Worth Area)?

Harlan
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To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] TwisterCon


Yes, Chris, I am sure the 'worlds' would not be sufficient to cancel T-con.

And yes, we'd like to think we will have even more than 8 Warrior guys
there,
since once I have a date I am going to try to get as many of our KC guys
down
there as possible.


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[scott holder]

Also, did we ever get an answer to the original question? Dates for Twisterco
n?

And don't let anybody fool you, what happens in dbm-land doesn't impact HMGS c
onventions. Nobody outside of the hardcore tournament gamer in one system par
ticularly cares that the "worlds" are being held where they are being held. M
ost HMGS convention attendees outside of one particular geographic area don't
play in tournaments. Usually, ancients tournament gamers make up around 10% o
f the show's overall attendence. That's certainly been the case at the big Ea
st shows and my rough eyeball count at the HOA shows indicates it's about the
same ratio.

>>> JonCleaves@... 12/19/02 07:19AM >>>
In a message dated 12/19/2002 07:22:13 Central Standard Time,
Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:

> Jon,
>
> Do you think any of the KC guys would be interested in the Warrior
> Tournament that we are holding on 1-2 FEB 02 in Arlington, TX (Dallas-Fort
> Worth Area)?
>
> Harlan
>

Possible. That's a long way away and T-con, Cold Wars, Genghis Con, Call to
Arms and Nashcon are already on the plate. Have to see.


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[Patrick Byrne]

I am verifying the dates and will get back to you all as soon as possible.

If I remember correctly, it was two weeks from cold wars in the month of
March.

Last time I talked with the coordinator, he was signing the contract with
the hotel that Friday. And Warrior is definitely happening! I am obligated
as much.

Tentative Plans:
Some FW on Friday evening, open to teach those interested.
25mm, 1600pt, Tourney on Saturday.

-PB

> From: "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...>
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 19 Dec 2002 08:24:03 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] TwisterCon
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> Also, did we ever get an answer to the original question? Dates for Twisterco
> n?
>
> And don't let anybody fool you, what happens in dbm-land doesn't impact HMGS c
> onventions. Nobody outside of the hardcore tournament gamer in one system par
> ticularly cares that the "worlds" are being held where they are being held. M
> ost HMGS convention attendees outside of one particular geographic area don't
> play in tournaments. Usually, ancients tournament gamers make up around 10% o
> f the show's overall attendence. That's certainly been the case at the big Ea
> st shows and my rough eyeball count at the HOA shows indicates it's about the
> same ratio.
>
>>>> JonCleaves@... 12/19/02 07:19AM >>>
> In a message dated 12/19/2002 07:22:13 Central Standard Time,
> Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:
>
>> Jon,
>>
>> Do you think any of the KC guys would be interested in the Warrior
>> Tournament that we are holding on 1-2 FEB 02 in Arlington, TX (Dallas-Fort
>> Worth Area)?
>>
>> Harlan
>>
>
> Possible. That's a long way away and T-con, Cold Wars, Genghis Con, Call to
> Arms and Nashcon are already on the plate. Have to see.
>
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[joncleaves]

man, two weeks after cold wars...tough

just 25's on saturday will leave out 10 of 12 of us in KC. I have 10 new
players, but they all have 15mm warrior/FanWar armies and have not the resources
to do 25mm armies yet (one step at a time...)

I may not be able to convinve many of them to go in any case, but if we don't
have a 15mm event on sat I am sure I will not.

I am still planning on being there and trying to drag Scott with me.

J

[scott holder]

just 25's on saturday will leave out 10 of 12 of us in KC. I have 10 new play
ers, but they all have 15mm warrior/FanWar armies and have not the resources t
o do 25mm armies yet (one step at a time...)

I may not be able to convinve many of them to go in any case, but if we don't
have a 15mm event on sat I am sure I will not.

I am still planning on being there and trying to drag Scott with me.

>I'm in as best I can tell. The two weeks after CW is no never mind to me. J
on, we *really* need to get a chunk of *your* KC player base down there. Are
the guys willing to play 25mm if loaned an army? I gotta admit, that if the
difference between 8 players and oh, 16 players in a tourney is the scale we p
lay, I've suddenly become a big 15mm fan:) However, that's simply a sugge
stion by a player willing to attend so take it fwiw:):)

>If we could get a firm head count and if the numbers support it, why not two
tourneys? I could easily float into either scale and could do what I did for
FI, bring the same army in both scales.

scott

[joncleaves]

Scott, Pat, et al:

I will ask what the interest level is here if they can borrow 25's.

How about a list of what armies they would have to choose from?

J

[scott holder]

How about a list of what armies they would have to choose from?

Hmmm, I'll try. Keep in mind that in many cases, one chunk of lead forms the
basis for many armies so if one army is selected, another 1-2 become unavailab
le. Moreover, while I can do, let's say Alexandrian Imperial, I might not be
able to do it in all its permutations. With those caveats, here's my list of
25mm lead in roughly chronological order:

Biblical Warrior:
1,9, 10: Various flavors of Sumerians
29: Late Hebrew (very focused list so not a lot of options)

Classical Warrior (obviously these are geared toward old lists, I use "our" li
sts here merely as references):
16, 17: Hoplites (again, very focused lists geared around the old WRG Late Hop
lite list with minimum hoplites, maximum everything else. Don't snicker, this
list can work well)
20, 33: Camillan/Poly Roman (I have a core group of legionaires with lotsa sup
porting "classical" troop types)
22-28, 30, 35, 38: Macedonian Pike Trash (the lead looks like crap and I don't
have a ton of pikemen but could possibly cobble something together)
32: Galatian (note, these figures can double for damn near any other Germanic
close order foot list up thru the LIR era. I have plenty of loose order cav a
s well as some loose order foot. What I'm light on are LI as in, I don't have
any that fit with this or the other lists)
36: Numidian (I have all 8 elephants, the minimum 20 elements of LC, lotsa LI
and the Romans from the other lists can also be used--this is actually a very
tough "in period" list if you're willing to throw your LC willy nilly at oppon
ents LC in hopes of pushing them off or routing them.

Imperial Warrior
10: Marian (but, this list would come at the expense of the CW Roman lists and
possibly some of the Pike trash guys depending on what route you take)
11: Mithradatic (same as Marians)

Dark Age Warrior
12, 19: Early/Maurikian Byzantine (again, figures look like crud and I'm not s
ure I could do a nuanced list, I'd hafta check and see since I haven't taken s
tock of the figures for this army since DAW was published).
36: Anglo-Danish (I use this with the Viking allies and close order fyrd)

Holy Warrior
12, 13: 1st Crusade/E Crusader States (playing this prevents playing Anglo-Dan
ish since the armies use many of the same figures)
34: L Hungarian (to do this, I rob figures from by Burgundian Ordonnance army
and my Mongol stuff)

Feudal Warrior
8, 12: Italo/Siculo Norman/Anglo-Norman (again, Anglo-Danish and 1st Crusade l
ists would make up the bulk of this list)
40: Burgundian Ordonnance (I suppose you could also do some of the late mediev
al German lists using these figures and possibly even Free Company but again,
the more divergent we get, the less I can do. I think I have 72 LB foot with
this but might only have 48 LB foot, need to check)

Oriental Warrior

 26: Khmer (very restrictive to how I goofily run this list. I upgrade all the
LHI foot to Reg B, run El as detachments to the LHI, that kinda thing. Very
small list so if you get too fancy, I won't be able to do it. Oh yeah, it's b
ased solely on the NASAMW list and has the Burmese allied contingent available
)
32: Sung
39: Yuan (I guess you could do Ilkhanid, Golden Horde or Timurid with the Mong
ol/Chinese lead I have in 25mm but that would possibly require lifting some ca
v/knights that would go into other lists. Both Sung/Yuan are based on NASAMW
list)

New World Warrior
1: Aztec (I have no idea how this one will come out after NWW is published. R
ight now it's heavy on elite units and very light on LI. I anticipate reorgan
izing it, ie rebasing, after NWW comes out but can hold off on that if somebod
y wants to run it).

The best thing for potential players to do is come up with the actual list and
send it to me. I'll then go home and see if I can do the list. Loaners can
be done on a first come first served basis. Ugh, lotta work. Also, if we go
this route, take what you want. I'll simply play with something leftover and
if that means 1600 points of Hoplites, heh heh, so be it:):)

scott
lead ho

[joncleaves]

Whoa. Ok, I'll see what folks want to do.

Still need a damned date for this thing. And you HMGS guys need to get the HMGS
site updated with a correct website for the Tornado Alley chapter. The one
there now is all porn links...lol

My info may only pertain to dbms participation......though the comments I
hear here are rather entertaining.....



Regards,
Vaughn McCurry



"When Men feel that strongly about an issue, yet refuse to name it, when
they fight savagely for some seemingly incoherent, unintelligible goal --
one may be sure that their actual goal would not stand public
identification. Let us therefore endeavor to identify it."

Ayn Rand

"....The poor are are enslaved and the rich are expropriated in favor of the
ruling clique- facism is not the product of the political "right" but of the
"left", that the basic issue is not "rich versus poor", but man versus the
State, or individual rights versus totalitarian government which means :
capitalism versus socialism."

Ayn Rand





>From: JonCleaves@...
>Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] TwisterCon
>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:10:59 EST
>
>Yes, Chris, I am sure the 'worlds' would not be sufficient to cancel T-con.
>And yes, we'd like to think we will have even more than 8 Warrior guys
>there,
>since once I have a date I am going to try to get as many of our KC guys
>down
>there as possible.
>
>
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[Kelly Wilkinson]

I must agree with Jon, (this happens too frequently nowadays), Most noobs that
are sucked into the hobby start out with 15mm for the cost and space
availability. To simply exclude 15mm will cut your numbers. Further, When Jake
Kovel and I were in regular attendance to Twistercon, I seem to remember that
the majority of ancients players in attendance were 15mm players.
Kelly

JonCleaves@... wrote:man, two weeks after cold wars...tough

just 25's on saturday will leave out 10 of 12 of us in KC. I have 10 new
players, but they all have 15mm warrior/FanWar armies and have not the resources
to do 25mm armies yet (one step at a time...)

I may not be able to convinve many of them to go in any case, but if we don't
have a 15mm event on sat I am sure I will not.

I am still planning on being there and trying to drag Scott with me.

J

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All i play is 15's , i even started working on a 10mm army to build towards
a warrior army..... i purchased it since having the great amount of lead at
a cheap rate let me also field this army for both dbm and warrior.



Regards,
Vaughn McCurry




>From: kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...>
>Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] TwisterCon
>Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 04:17:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>I must agree with Jon, (this happens too frequently nowadays), Most noobs
>that are sucked into the hobby start out with 15mm for the cost and space
>availability. To simply exclude 15mm will cut your numbers. Further, When
>Jake Kovel and I were in regular attendance to Twistercon, I seem to
>remember that the majority of ancients players in attendance were 15mm
>players.
> Kelly
>
> JonCleaves@... wrote:man, two weeks after cold wars...tough
>
>just 25's on saturday will leave out 10 of 12 of us in KC. I have 10 new
>players, but they all have 15mm warrior/FanWar armies and have not the
>resources to do 25mm armies yet (one step at a time...)
>
>I may not be able to convinve many of them to go in any case, but if we
>don't have a 15mm event on sat I am sure I will not.
>
>I am still planning on being there and trying to drag Scott with me.
>
>J
>
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