Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Phil Gardocki]

     Some of this is moot as Scott and Jon seem to have come to a consensus that since the cause is from the same instant, i.e., being shot for 3cpf, that only one waver is made, even if it cross references to several different line items on the waver test chart, I.E., Second Disorder and missile casualties.  But this is being applied inconsistantly as in the example of routing friends and loss of leader.

Phil


Question.  If the FIRST cause of disorder was NON-combat (terrain, remounted, etc.), is the +3cpf from prep shooting an automatic waver test as it would be the first COMBAT cause of disorder.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/6/2001 05:39:00 Central Daylight Time, PHGamer@...
writes:

<< The first cause of disorder is irrelevant to the 2nd cause. >>

The above is 100% correct. I don't need to research anything to tell you
that!

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/6/2001 05:52:13 Central Daylight Time, PHGamer@...
writes:

<< Some of this is moot as Scott and Jon seem to have come to a consensus
that since the cause is from the same instant, i.e., being shot for 3cpf,
that only one waver is made, even if it cross references to several
different
line items on the waver test chart, I.E., Second Disorder and missile
casualties. But this is being applied inconsistantly as in the example of
routing friends and loss of leader.
>>

We have not come to anything yet. I asked for patience. Scott said
something about ruling differently once and I want to be 100% sure of what
the answer will be before I give it. I am pretty sure we'll still have
multiple wavers from DIFFERENT causes even if in the same instant but really
want to talk to Scott off-line before I go final with that one.
This would be easier for me if only one guy were answering rules
questions.....

[scott holder]

Because if the body is not already disordered, the 3 CPF from prep shooting
only disorders it (the first time - hence no waver test), and the 2 CPF from
prep shooting (without a proper response) then causes a waver test. That is
unless of course the 2 CPF from prep shooting waver test cpmes first and is
failed, then the now shaken (and therefore disordered) body that gets the 3
CPF from prep has a second waver test (failure would then BREAK the unit).
This paradox is why I am now firmly in the one waver test from prep shooting
max camp.

>This is how I've ruled it over the years. Please keep in mind that "how I
ruled it over the years" only has partial bearing on the final outcome of
Warrior.

Scott
List Ho

[Don Coon]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Byrnes" <cuan@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] waver tests for disorder ?


> I know in a later email that you said you and Scott were getting together
on this
> issue, but I was curious as to why it mattered if the body was already
disordered
> or not?
> -pb

Because if the body is not already disordered, the 3 CPF from prep shooting
only disorders it (the first time - hence no waver test), and the 2 CPF from
prep shooting (without a proper response) then causes a waver test. That is
unless of course the 2 CPF from prep shooting waver test cpmes first and is
failed, then the now shaken (and therefore disordered) body that gets the 3
CPF from prep has a second waver test (failure would then BREAK the unit).
This paradox is why I am now firmly in the one waver test from prep shooting
max camp.

Don

[Ed Forbes]

Is remounting ( either mounted inf or dismounted cav ) a cause of
disorder?
Or what else is the remounted listed below referring to?
If so, where is it listed?

Thanks,
Ed

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:37:53 EDT PHGamer@... writes:
> The first cause of disorder is irrelevant to the 2nd cause.
>
> > Question. If the FIRST cause of disorder was NON-combat (terrain,
>
> > remounted etc), is the +3cpf from prep shooting an automatic waver
>
> > test as it would be the first COMBAT cause of disorder.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Greg Regets]

I'm with the single test camp also. Lets put more emphasise on "twice and
3CPFs, not a half dozen waver tests.

Greg
Just plain 'ol Ho