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X rule:Gold Rush and Buying 25 mm Armies

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:10 pm    Post subject: X rule:Gold Rush and Buying 25 mm Armies


Jon and others,

I would like to have an x-rule added called gold rush. It is
based on the Battle of Fornovo (Condotta vs. French Ordanace)
where the flanking motion of Stradiots would have allowed
complete victory for the Italians (Milanese and Venetians).
What happened was, with the death of some commanders, the
Stradiots instead of going for the flank/rear of the French
column went for the unprotected baggage train. As the
Stradiots started taking spoils to the rear, the reserve also
went for the baggage, not being available for the crucial
point of the battle. The French won (both claim victory),
though King Charles was nearly captured at least once and it
was this event that heartened the French to fight until the
Italians went for the baggage.

Rule: Any enemy unengaged troops will automatically go for
baggage which has no enemy within 240 of it. Those troops
within charge reach of the enemy will counter to move towards
unprotected baggage. Troops so effected will considered under
rush orders and charge the baggage if normally able to be
impetious, even uneasy or irregular though not tired.

The rush can be controlled by a commander spending prompts as
if prompting a charge or changing an order, whichever is less
expensive (ie, A general on a flank march with his units could
control for a cost of 1/unit+1/240 to farthest unit+1 or 3 for
reg/ir+d5+2d5 if in combat or the cost of prompting 1+1/3 for
reg/ir+1/240+d5+2d5 if in combat.

It makes sending flankers a bit more dubious without command,
why fight (even in the flank of rear) when there is gold for
the taking. Of coarse the loss of baggage brings all commands
closer to leaving so I wouldn't recommend leaving your baggage
unguarded.


Ewan and others (I felt summoned days ago, but only could
answer now),

On the cost of 25 mm armies. Ewan, my post-doc was not well
paying, and I actually made less as I was under the old
schedule than I made as a grad student as student loans can
due and state and city taxes now applied ($21000-$7000
taxes-$2400=11600 student loan versus $16000-$3000=13000
taxes. Luckily NIH was forced to raise rates by INS due to the
costs not being enough for allowing foreigners to enter the
states and live, not the black heart of NIH's love for
post-docs).

Anyhow, I obtained a 25 mm army the way any cash strapped lad
would, went for the cheapest. Let me explain this, foot is
$1/, cav 2.5/, and models (elephants) $35/ (these might be off
as I have not bought in a while). A knight heavy army
(French, Italians, Teuts, etc.) offer the cheapest way. IF you
have no infantry, it is even cheaper.

What do I mean? $125 buys 8 6 fig knights units (buy SHK as
most expensive) which is nearly 1100 points or so. Buy 4 foot
units, 16 foot/, bags of 30, $90, this is 400 points. 3 4 fig
LC units, $50. A 25 mm army for just $290. It can be cheaper
by replacing the expensive infantry with 3 more knight units
($50) for a cost of $250.

Now why is this cheaper? consider a Selucid army. 9 elephants
is $315 but only 400 points. This means you now need expensive
infantry, 3 24 fig units, $90, 2 24 fig mi,b, $60, and much
more as these infantry only add another 450 points, still less
than 900. The generals and HC, $50 for another 300 points, now
maybe a mini army for $515 dollars. Probably another $100 to
get to 1600 points (assuming average cost for fig is 6 points.
An army for $615, 2.5 the cost of the Condotta, all unpainted.

Painting it yourself is the cheapest way to go, though given
your family situation and work demands you probably don't have
the time. I painted mine when I was a grad student so had
plenty of time with no money. I chose Condotta since I could
go all silver (late period, think movie Excaliber) but got
bored with it so added copper, bronze, gold, any metallic
paint I could find (making it a bit fantisiful actually). As
they where late period (and mercenaries to boot) I didn't
worry about coats of arms since the pictures I saw from the
late period had coats of arm the area 1/3 that of a shield and
in the rear armor of the horse.

Now this certainly effected my style of play. Before 25 mm, I
was leaning towards large blocks of infantry with cheap heavy
knights. Needing 300 or so foot with another 50 or so cav was
just too expensive ($450) with many more figures to paint
(cost of paints is not small, one bottle for 50 guys, assuming
20% or so coverage, needing 5 bottles for 50 guys on foot
(assuming can use 75% of paint before dries out too much) at
$2/bottle (assume horses take 2x amount of paint) is ~$70 for
paint, add $10 for brushes. Less figures, less paint, can drop
to about $50. This includes base coat, extra coat, and paint
for bases. Add more colors (I do 8/fig, hence the bronze,
etc), add more $. I have 'used' more paint by using a bit of
it, then not painting for a several months. Expect to pay $100
for paint when all is said and done for an army of ~350 figs
(note Condotta had only ~120). Bases, another expense, is
roughly $.25 /3.5 figs. Condotta $40. Horde (think
Anglo-Norman) $88.

Now as the cost analysis sent me running to the Condotta and
away from the horde armies I like, my style of play changed.
No more could I start to Emulate Chris Damour, but had to
bastardize it (now really playing Chris Damour on horses). The
army I long for is Early Hungarian, but with 100 LC and 60 HK
or so, and a cost of $600, I don't see it in the cards.

Ewan, you play Imperial German, the cost of that would be
similar to Italians as I know you go knight heavy (I remember a
game way back between you (many SHK and some LI) and Terry
Gore, him with wedges of Norman HK not leaving the board edge-
effected me profoundly) so your cost would likely be similar
to that of Condotta, assuming you can paint with a screaming
child, in between experiments (I recommend protein
purification and x-ray crystallography as having large in
between times), and your wife.

Sean

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:43 pm    Post subject: Re: X rule:Gold Rush and Buying 25 mm Armies


Nice post dude!
-PB

> From: sscott04@...
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:10:35 -0400
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WarriorRules] X rule:Gold Rush and Buying 25 mm Armies
>
> Jon and others,
> $125 buys 8 6 fig knights units (buy SHK as
> most expensive) which is nearly 1100 points or so. Buy 4 foot
> units, 16 foot/, bags of 30, $90, this is 400 points. 3 4 fig
> LC units, $50. A 25 mm army for just $290. It can be cheaper
> by replacing the expensive infantry with 3 more knight units
> ($50) for a cost of $250.
>
> Now why is this cheaper? consider a Selucid army. 9 elephants
> is $315 but only 400 points. This means you now need expensive
> infantry, 3 24 fig units, $90, 2 24 fig mi,b, $60, and much
> more as these infantry only add another 450 points, still less
> than 900. The generals and HC, $50 for another 300 points, now
> maybe a mini army for $515 dollars. Probably another $100 to
> get to 1600 points (assuming average cost for fig is 6 points.
> An army for $615, 2.5 the cost of the Condotta, all unpainted.
>
> Painting it yourself is the cheapest way to go, though given
> your family situation and work demands you probably don't have
> the time. I painted mine when I was a grad student so had
> plenty of time with no money. I chose Condotta since I could
> go all silver (late period, think movie Excaliber) but got
> bored with it so added copper, bronze, gold, any metallic
> paint I could find (making it a bit fantisiful actually). As
> they where late period (and mercenaries to boot) I didn't
> worry about coats of arms since the pictures I saw from the
> late period had coats of arm the area 1/3 that of a shield and
> in the rear armor of the horse.
>
> Now this certainly effected my style of play. Before 25 mm, I
> was leaning towards large blocks of infantry with cheap heavy
> knights. Needing 300 or so foot with another 50 or so cav was
> just too expensive ($450) with many more figures to paint
> (cost of paints is not small, one bottle for 50 guys, assuming
> 20% or so coverage, needing 5 bottles for 50 guys on foot
> (assuming can use 75% of paint before dries out too much) at
> $2/bottle (assume horses take 2x amount of paint) is ~$70 for
> paint, add $10 for brushes. Less figures, less paint, can drop
> to about $50. This includes base coat, extra coat, and paint
> for bases. Add more colors (I do 8/fig, hence the bronze,
> etc), add more $. I have 'used' more paint by using a bit of
> it, then not painting for a several months. Expect to pay $100
> for paint when all is said and done for an army of ~350 figs
> (note Condotta had only ~120). Bases, another expense, is
> roughly $.25 /3.5 figs. Condotta $40. Horde (think
> Anglo-Norman) $88.
>
> Now as the cost analysis sent me running to the Condotta and
> away from the horde armies I like, my style of play changed.
> No more could I start to Emulate Chris Damour, but had to
> bastardize it (now really playing Chris Damour on horses). The
> army I long for is Early Hungarian, but with 100 LC and 60 HK
> or so, and a cost of $600, I don't see it in the cards.









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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: X rule:Gold Rush and Buying 25 mm Armies


I think folks misunderstand what an X-rule is.

It is eXperimental and therefore totally unofficial with respect to the
Warrior core rules. Players may use them as they wish.

As they are totally unofficial, there is no such thing as an 'official'
x-rule. Therefore anyone can post one to the group without our permission, so
long
as they are clearly labeled as experimental.

Roll up and win!
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