Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

NICT

1)Derek Downs, Khmer, 48.5
2)Mark Stone, 10 Independent States Chinese, 43.6
3)Ewan McNay, Sassanid Persian, 40
4)Rob Turnball, Alexandrian Imperial, 38.2
5)Dave Markowitz, Fujiwara Japanese, 37.4
6)Tim Brown, Late Imperial Roman, 36.5
7)Dan Woyke, Feudal Japanese, 36.4
8)Charles Yaw, Tartessian Spanish, 34.7
9)Dick Hurchanik, Fujiwaran Japanese, 33.8
10)Jon Cleaves, Welsh, 30.6
11)Tim Grimmett, Feudal Japanese, 29.5
12)Mike Kelly, Mongol, 28.5
13)Marc Cribbs, Mountain Indian 28.2
14)Chris Damour, Medieval Spanish, 27.7
15)Dennis Shorthouse, Swiss, 27.6
16)Rich Kroupa, Alexandrian Imperial, 25.3
17)Jevon Garrett, Sicilian Hohenstaufen, 22.6
18)Matt Kollmer, Alexandrian Imperial, 21
19)Todd Kaeser, Knights of St John, 20.1
20)John Garlic, Feudal Japanese, 16
21)Steve Hollowell, Nikephorian Byzantine, 7.9
22)Ed Bernhard, Timurid, 7.7
23)Mike Mallamaci, Nikephorian Byzantine, 3.7
24)Scott McDonald, Mongol, 3.5
25)Sean Scott, Italian Condotta, 3.7
26)Greg Hauser, Sultanate of Delhi, 3.3
27)Bill Low, Late Carthagenian, 3
28)Bill Chriss, Hellenistic Greek, 2
29)Frank Gilson, Alexandrian Imperial, 1.6
Bob Liebl, Later Teutonic Order, 1.6

25mm High Medieval Theme

1)Derek Downs, Early Burgundian, 29
2)Frank Gilson, Hundred Years War English, 28.2
3)Todd Kaeser, Knights of St John, 26.2
4)Rob Turnball, Early Burgundian, 23.1
5)Tim Grimmett, Hundred Years War English, 19.6
6)Sean Scott, Italian Condotta, 18.5
7)Scott Holder, Burgundian Ordonnance, 16.9
8)Rick Parrish, Italian Condotta, 16.6
Rich Kroupa, Medieval German Leagues, 16.6
9)Tim Brown, Sicilian Hohenstaufen, 16.2
10)Dick Hurchanik, Later Polish, 14.9
11)Dave Markowitz, Feudal French, 14.4
12)Ed Forbes, Swiss, 10.7
13)Jim Bisigani, Feudal Spanish, 9.5
14)Ty Downs, Anglo-Norman, 7.4
15)Mike Kelly, War of the Roses English, 5.7

15mm High Medieval Theme

1)Ewan McNay, Italian Condotta, 35.3
2)Dan Woyke, Moldavian, 31.6
3)Mike Mallamaci, Post Mongol Russian, 20.8
4)Mark Hissam, Medieval Spanish, 17.9
5)Mark Stone, Italian Condotta, 17.5
6)Bill Low, Low Countries, 16.1
7)Dave Dietrich, Hundred Years War English, 14.6
8)Jon Becker, Medieval French, 13.5
9)John Chriss, Holy Roman Imperial, 12.4
10)Kelly Wilkinson, Knights of St John, 12.2
11)John Garlic, John Garlic, 9.2
12)Steve Rawls, Hundred Years War English, 7.7

25mm Open

1)Scott McDonald, Mongols, 24.5
2)Kelly Wilkinson, Camillan Roman, 18.8
3)Dave Brauer, Feudal Japanese, 14.7
4)Frank Gilson, Alexandrian Imperial, 12.1
5)Jim Bisigani, Alexandrian Imperial, 10.2
6)Jamie Gentry, Scots Common, 9.6
7)Paul Wilson, Ayyubid Egyptian, 9.2
Sean Scott, Italian Condotta, 9.2
8)Ed Bernhard, Timurid, 8
9)Dean Marquis, Patrician Roman, 7.1
10)Bill Chriss, Hellenistic Greek, 6.7
11)Pete Cellela, Patrician Roman, 1.6

15mm Open

1)Paul Leuschen, Italian Condotta, 24.4
2)Mike Mallamaci, Mongol, 21.9
3)Dave Dietrich, Skythian, 20.9
4)Steve Hollowell, Later Carthagenian, 15.4
5)Mark Hissam, Alexandrian Imperial, 14.9
6)Jon Becker, Seleucid, 14.5
7)Scott McCoppin, Later Achaemenid Persian,
8)Bill Low, Later Carthagenian, 12.8
9)Fred Stratton, Alexandrian Imperial, 11.1
10)Mike Byrne, Serbian, 10.5
11)Matt McCoppin, Alexandrian Imperial, 9.2
12)Eric Turner, Early Visigoth, 9.2
13)John Chriss, Holy Roman Imperial, 8.8
14)Tom McMillen, Vijay Indian, 7.7
15)Woody Walton, Ayyubid Egyptian, 6.7
16)Tom Barkus, Skythian, 5.2

Mini

1)Mark Hissam, Alexandrian Imperial, 18.9
2)Paul Leuschen, Swiss, 16.6
3)Kelly Wilkinson, Knights of St John, 14
4)Dave Dietrich, Skythian, 13.2
5)Rick Parrish, Later Carthagenian, 12.2
6)Ed Forbes, Hundred Years War English, 12
7)Jon Becker, Wallachian, 10.7
8)Mike Lewis, Timurid, 11.2
9)Scott McCoppin, Later Achaemenid Persian, 7.2
10)Steve Rawls, Seleucid, 5.2
11)Woody Walton, Ayyubid Egyptian, 4.9
12)Eric Turner, Early Visigoths, 4.8

[Ewan McNay]

[scott holder]

It's not first success for Mongols. I can't remember if it was at Cold Wars this year or Hcon last year but Mike Kelly won with them in 15mm in the Open or Mini, I think the Mini. The only elephants Scott ran into were with Ed Bernhard's Timurids and Scott simply dismounted his Mongol cav and shot the piss out of the elephants.

scott

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Drat and Balderdash!!! I was one player shy of qualifying in the 25mm open. %$@#%!

Kelly

[Mark Stone]

I find it very interesting that Italian Condotta was the winner in two of the events. Of course, "Italian Condotta" doesn't narrow down what the army looks like by very much....

Personally, I'll be tinkering with Italian Condotta further. It is quite a complicated list, both to design and to play. And I don't see myself reprising 10 Independent States next year. All those testudo-forming Romans would not be too healthy for it.


-Mark Stone

[Kelly]

Shouldn't Mike Lewis be in the 7th place rather than that of eighth in the Mini?

Kelly

[Paul Leuschen]

Hi Ewan

In the mini I ran a Swiss CINC w/ a Lorrainer ally. It consisted of CinC 43 LHI/LMI P/2HCT, 8e LHI/LMI p/2HCT, 10e LHI/LMI P/2HCT, 2 2e SHK/HC L, sh, 2 2e LI HG, 2 2e LI CB, Lor AG 2e SHK L, sh, 2e Lor SHK, L,Sh. Was tinkering w/ this list till the start of the mini, and am changing a few things like not taking the 10e Block and only 8e blocks. Better flexibility. Was glad though not to see an elephant in the mini.

I usually took a water feature to hold down a flank and then a wood or three to try place another difficult terrain feature on my other flank about 3-4 feet from the water edge. MY setup as you can imagine was pretty small.

I usually placed an LI inthe woods to slow down the flank w/ a Reg SHK near by to slow down anyone gettign through. my formation usually went Woods,LI, SHK, Pike block, LI screener in front of these, Pike block, SHK, LI screener, CINC block, SHK, SHK, LI screener, water feature. W/ only 6 scouting points this gave me flexibility to manuever for matchups, especially if I forced marched some of the LI.

The Itallian Condotta was similar. Neop CINC w/ Swiss Ally. 3 Reg SHK blocks, 3 Irr SHK blocks, 2 8e Pike/2HCT blocks, 1 4e LI HG (swiss), 2 4e Moog units (HTW,JLS), 1 4e LI CB

Similar setup w/ the Moogs mixed in. Swiss was forced marched out to 12" to allow Neop setup behind. The fatigue was never really a factor. Terrain chose was similar. I just had to align myself to the better matchups.

Overall there were 2 rules changes that really help the Swiss and how I used them. 1. Not taking a waiver from a mounted charge in the flank. Twice LC JLS units hit a pike unit in the flank and failed to do a CPF (I was four wide for 32 man count). The next turn saw a SHK hit this LC, causing waivers from the break, and several waivers all around. 2. The ability to bring up the 2HCT elements from the back and them count as 'steady' when the rest of the unit is disordered. An enemy Pike or LTS unit does not like to see this on the second bound. Wore down Hypaspists and Phlangists this way.

I will say that i did get lucky as many of us do. One opponent charge a pike block w/ 2 SHC units just to see the an SG die from a catastrophe and the whole side of the battlefield taking multiple waivers. Unfortunetly for the opponent, his CINC was the other SHC unit and got hit by the 2HCT the next turn. In another game, I caught 2 LC units w/ SHK units.

This was my 1st Historicon and 1 st tourney outside of KC (yes I have to put up w/ Jon Cleaves!). Loves it. Now I just have to paint a 25mm for the NICT next year.

[Peter Celella]

For the Italian Condotta, can a Neopolitan Cinc take a Swiss ally? I thought that was only allowed with a Venice in Italy force?

[joncleaves]

Ok, Big Head Paul...now who's putting up with whom? lol

Congrats again, old buddy.

J

[Paul Leuschen]

It was explained to me by Scott Holder for an earlier tourney that the Swiss can be taken, but as per the new erratta, they can take nothing but themselves, ie no other.