Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

srawls · Recruit Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 86

Here in Jacksonville we have always played that a Regular Chariot with a General and a regular foot detachment can make an impetuous charge. The chariot charges impetuously and the detachment charges non-impetuously, both taking the requisite fatigues for the impetuous charge .

It has been pointed out in this forum that such a unit cannot make an impetuous charge. I re-read the relevant sections in the rule book (detachments, impetuous charges, and the section on Chariots) and I don't see anything that would prevent such a combined unit from making an impetuous charge in the manner described.

Are we doing this wrong? If so, which section of the rule book prevents this?

Tks,

Steve

Mark Stone · Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Chariot charges

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

For the question, can reg foot declare an impetuous charge even in a mixed body of chariots - no. See 6.167:

"The following troops are incapable of declaring an
impetuous charge:
• Elephants
• “E” class
• Regulars on foot
• Any troops tired or uneasy at declaration"

Remember that the word troops is short for "body of troops"

As for the LI Mark speaks of - 6.161, first para after the bullets:

"If they are in a mixed body with
other mounted, they may charge any target."

Mark Stone · Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject:

srawls · Recruit Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 86

Tks John.

Steve

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

You fine gents are most welcome.

Todd Schneider · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:55 am Post subject:

John Garlic · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:

Jon,

These questions occurred last night between Dmitri's Samurai and my Han. I believe they apply to this strand. They involved a Han unit (2E HCh with a detachment of chaiot runners as rear rank) facing 4E samurai.

Question 1 - The Han unit took 2 CPF from prep fire. Does it charge unprompted, or halt until end of next bound?

Question 2 - We 'assumed' must halt and I took and passed a waver to charge. Charge began at 120p. Samurai also charged impetuously while HCh/LMI charged non-impetuously. Is HCh/LMI charge canceled due to impetuous charge since had regular infantry in second rank?

Thanks,
John and Dmitri

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Question 1: In such a situation use the shooting reaction of the element(s) that were shot.

Question 2 is answered by the errata:

6.163K (page 44): Add to end of paragraph after the bullets: In the case of mixed units and canceled charges, what matters is what troop type is in the front rank of each unit in question.

Frank Gilson

Also, notes the clarification to 6.163K (page 44):
"In the case of mixed units and canceled charges, what matters is what troop type is in the front rank of each unit in question"

Therefore, the above described Chariot unit with detachment of regular foot DOES NOT have its charge cancelled if its target is also charged by a separate mounted or impetuous body (as long as the reg foot are NOT in the front rank.)

Just keep that in mind also...

Frank