Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Steve]

Hello,

Have finally managed to get the errata, and been able to re-read the rules, and a few questions have come to mind.

1) Do cavalry with JLS only get the factor bonus at first contact, unless 9.3 also applies?

2) Can the relevant steady troops provide support for the purposes of 5.131 if they are in H-t-H combat?

3) Does the supporting body have to be facing in the same direction as the body it is supporting?

4) Can a single body count as providing support to more than one body? (ie from the example on P26 and assuming more troops out of picture, could both the close order units claim the loose order unit as support).

5) Do JLS armed LI chariot runners on the same base as the chariot count as a second rank in H-t-H, or must they be in a separate detachment to do so?
(Trying to beef up my Sumerian donkey carts to face the Elamite foe and working out how best to go about it).

Thanks, Steve

On a minor note, should the errata concerning chariots/elephants from 9.22 (pages 82/3) also go into the relevant sections 13.1 and 13.2 (pages 108/9)?

[joncleaves]

[[1) Do cavalry with JLS only get the factor bonus at first contact, unless 9.3 also applies? ]]

Yes.

[[2) Can the relevant steady troops provide support for the purposes of 5.131 if they are in H-t-H combat? ]]

Yes.

[[3) Does the supporting body have to be facing in the same direction as the body it is supporting? ]]

No.

[[4) Can a single body count as providing support to more than one body? (ie from the example on P26 and assuming more troops out of picture, could both the close order units claim the loose order unit as support). ]]

No. From the text box on page 26:

"The same body cannot provide support to both flanks of a close or loose order foot body"

"5) Do JLS armed LI chariot runners on the same base as the chariot count as a second rank in H-t-H, or must they be in a separate detachment to do so? ]]

No, yes.
See the errata to Bibilcal Warrior on our website:

GENERAL CONCEPTS: You have the option of using figures listed as LI "runners" or "chariot escorts" on the same base as the chariot in the same way the main rules allow it for elephants. The following apply if you chose to do this:
1) The figures would cost 5 or 6 points (depending on if they are Reg or Irr) each to place on the base as they would for elephants; you must put two figures per chariot base or none.
2) The chariot base is then a "foot" troop type ONLY for the purposes of approach precedence and movement (can't roll up on a charge, pursuit, etc.).
3) The chariot base is subject to 2FP per CPF in hand to hand if the foot is Irr.
4) The chariot base counts 2 additional figures for CPF per chariot base so constructed (10.3).
5) The LI on the base cannot fight in H-T-H but can shoot as if a second rank.

[Frank Gilson]

[quote="joncleaves
[[4) Can a single body count as providing support to more than one body? (ie from the example on P26 and assuming more troops out of picture, could both the close order units claim the loose order unit as support). ]]

No. From the text box on page 26:

"The same body cannot provide support to both flanks of a close or loose order foot body"

[/quote]

Jon, I believe you answered a question other than the one he asked .

He's asking whether one single body can support one flank of each of two SEPARATE bodies, not whether one single body can support both flanks of the SAME body.

Frank

[Steve]

Hello Jon,

Once again, thanks for the quick and helpful replies.

However, Frank is correct, I was asking if one unit could provide support to two different friendly bodies (that is, in this example, supporting the left flank of one unit and the right flank of the other.)

Thanks, Steve

[Steve]

So, if I base the LI figures with the chariot they can absorb casualties, shoot, but not fight H-t-H. (And test to waver as Irreg B)?

If I base them as a separate detachment and join them to the chariots, they can absorb casualties, shoot and fight H-t-H, cost less points but waver test as Irreg C?

[I hereby humbly admit I was trying for the best of both worlds by stretching rule 8.7 (LI on a common base) to mean something it doesn't; that is, they shoot as if second rank, therefore they are second rank, therefore they can fight as well. Mea Culpa ]

Steve

[Mark Stone]

[joncleaves]

You're right Mark, I answered the wrong question.

Indeed a body can be involved in supporting two friendly bodies.

On the Chinese chariot minus, the list rule replaces the normal 2HCT rule. Scott is working errata.