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Dismounting rear rank cavalry

 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject: Dismounting rear rank cavalry

What happens when a two-element cavalry unit, with SHK front and HC rear dismounts? As I understand the rules the HC dismounts as half it's elements.
How is a half element represented on the table? Are the horses represented?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject: Dismounting

I am by no means an expert - so wait for other clarification - but I dont believe they can dismount - no single element units allowed unless specified (it was for Elephants for a while) - so you get one for the SHK - and none for HC - but dieng to see the answer from others
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject:

Correct...unless a general (who can be a lone staff element) you can't dismount a 2E unit of SHK/HC...the HC go 'poof'.

You could dismount a 3E unit of SHK/HC/HC...but you'd end up, generally, with SHI 2HCW / HI LTS,Sh...and LTS can't fight from a 2nd rank over 2HCW...so...we generally never dismount knight units with sergeants.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject:

So is against the rules to dismount a 2E Unit with SHK/HC or does it result in a 1E "unit" of SHK? or perhaps a 1E body that does nothing?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject:

You cannot dismount a non-general SHK/HC 2E unit.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:58 pm    Post subject: 2E

Why wouldn't it be one element of SHI?

Page 64 last paragraph
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 2E

derekcus wrote:
Why wouldn't it be one element of SHI?

Page 64 last paragraph


Don't have my rules with me but pretty sure 1E non-generals are prohibited in 1 or 2 places...check dismounting and section 2.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject: Dismounting

So dont know the eother issues and cannot read Franks posts- but it could not charge - must be a body (2 elements) to declare a charge
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: 2E

Frank Gilson wrote:
derekcus wrote:
Why wouldn't it be one element of SHI?

Page 64 last paragraph


Don't have my rules with me but pretty sure 1E non-generals are prohibited in 1 or 2 places...check dismounting and section 2.


Derek was correct Wink...
"As an exception to the normal rules for unit size, a dismounted unit may have a size of one element."

Finally got around to my rules.

Rob is not correct as the restriction on declaring charges applies only to independent staff elements. 2.513 "An independent staff element cannot declare charges unless it is joined to a non-artillery unit."

Also, 6.161, those eligible to charge, does not prohibit this type of body from charging...so it can charge.

I read the rules!
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