Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

scott holder · Last edited by scott holder on Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:08 pm; edited 7 times in total

Feudal Warrior:

1-Prussian
2-Lithuanian/Samogitian: No Hussites
3-Feudal German: No Hungarians, Italians
5-Early Polish: No Hungarians
7-Early Russian: No Hungarians
11-Medieval Scandinavian
19-Later Polish: No Wallachians/Moldavians, Hungarians, Serbians
20-Early Teutonic Knights
23-Post-Mongol Russian
25-Holy Roman Imperial (Early only): No Hungarians
33- Late Teutonic Knights

Oriental Warrior:

35-Mongol: No Chinese, Georgians, Armenians, Persians
37-Golden Horde: No Georgians, Armenians

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Frank Gilson · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:00 pm Post subject:

Thanks, Scott!

Hey, everybody, please provide your comments and ask your questions. That helps us make these the best events they can be.

lilroblis · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:58 pm Post subject: Teutonic theme

Mongol will be hard to beat, as will the Polish armies - everyone else should have fun but not playing to win or place, Teutons are not very good, so you have 2 a lists and a couple of B lists and the rest are C's

scott holder · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:00 pm Post subject:

Weightings will matter.

I hope people who have Teuts bring them. The power gaming mentality when brought to the theme isn't a positive.

Frank Gilson · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Teutonic theme

lilroblis · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:49 pm Post subject: Teutonic theme

Teuts are just a C army - and More points dont make them a lot better - I have a Teut army and would like to play it, once the weighting is posted Ill see if I can make a viable list, otherwise I guess Ill go polish - I dont care about winning- but I also dont want to sit there thinking there is nothing I can do - eg Mongols, Golden Horde, or that the enemy is half the price - Polish

Frank Gilson · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Teutonic theme

Mark Stone · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject:

I'm with Rob. Right now I'm expecting the theme to be 40% Polish, 40% Mongol, and 20% "What was I thinking? These guys are gonna just die out here."

Frank Gilson · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:52 pm Post subject: Early Teutonic

Early Teutonic would be something like:
CinC PA Reg A/B SHK/EHK L,Sh 223
Sub similar 153
2E Reg B HC L,Sh 76
3 units of 2E Irr A/B SHK/EHK L,Sh 381
2 units of 6E Irr D LC B 122
8E Irr D LI B 41
4 units of 9E Irr D(1 C) LMI 2HCW,JLS,Sh(3)/JLS,Sh(1)/JLS(5) 304
3 units of 9E Irr D(1 C) LMI 2HCW,JLS,Sh(3)/JLS,Sh(2)/JLS(4) 237
That's 1537, 16 units, 2 cmds.

I'd play that...trying to send it in to the enemy army all at once across most of the table. Roll Some Dice!

lilroblis · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:15 pm Post subject: Teutonic theme

Frank - against Mongols - you would never get to hit anything - 5:0 to mongols with any competent general and even rolls

Frank Gilson · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Teutonic theme

lilroblis · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:07 pm Post subject: Teutonic theme

Frank glad it works for you, I would take Mongol against that list any time- and have an 80% win record - the rest because you passed all your wavers and my dice sucked
Against the LMI - I charge with EHC - 5@7=30 50% fail waver and rout, 50% 3@4, 2@2 13 = break through and now 75% rout / shake- rinse and repeat the Light cavalry just gets run down - you are left with knights which I can ignore unless they fail a waver test - and you cannot force me to fight. I don't think there are many better targets for a Mongol army - and yes Mongols struggle to get results, but teuts wont beat a competent Mongol army either.
You make the Teut LC fight rank and a half for example and they are playable - otherwise dead Teuts walking. The Polish have some good cav, knights, better foot etc. so playable - with Mongol I would happily take 1600 points of Mongols against 2000 points of Teuts, I may not win but neither will the teuts - and I could/should win - they have no shot unless I do dumb stuff.

lilroblis · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:27 pm Post subject: Teutonic theme

So - what I would propose is some love for the Teutons - make the infantry eligible for IRR/ Reg C all, Irr A 2 elements, let the light cav fight rank and a half if javelin armed, and you will see a lot of them, but right now they get no cheese and the mongols are a fondue - hello horse archer theme (again).
BTW I can probably loan someone a Teutonic army if they need one (I have 4000+ points of Teutons)- but please let me know early, so I can bring the army to Maine on vacation - which starts mid June

Frank Gilson · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Teutonic theme

lilroblis · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:07 am Post subject: Teutonic lists

frank - I am glad you like the lists- I have owned the lead for 8 years used iit in half a dozen tournaments - and it has sucked in every one
On the charging - I salivate with any cav army whenever I meat that kind of unit - in the last 3 years - if I have any decent cav army I am about 12:0- including thracians (much better list) etc.
They just die- good morale is tougher - these are Id/C they suck