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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Early Paleologian NICT

Ewan McNay wrote:
2 CinC Reg A/B HK L, Sh
2 2iC Sub Reg B HK L, Sh
2 Irr B HK L, Sh
2 Irr B HK L, Sh

4 Reg C H/MC L, B, SH/L, B (Mongol)
4 Reg C H/MC L, B, SH/L, B (Mongol)
2 Reg B LC B (Mongol)
2 Reg B LC B (Mongol)
2 Reg C LC B (Mongol)

2 Reg B HC L, B, Sh (Byzantine)
2 Reg B HC L, B, Sh (Byzantine)

6 Reg D(1 C) LMI B,Sh/B
6 Reg D(1 C) LMI B,Sh/B
6 Reg D LI B, Sh/B
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg B LHI/LMI 2HCW, JLS, Sh


Another revised now playable Byzantine version...Early Pal.

You don't get the French Irr A SHK of Later Pal...but you do get some Mongols who excel dismounted, yet still have a mounted option...so really this is a dense shooting army with some HK and utility. I think we'll see it again.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:50 pm    Post subject:

Frank Gilson wrote:
Todd Kaeser wrote:
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Christian Nubian
1604 32 scouting

CinC 2E Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh PA (EP) 172
2E Cav Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh (EP) 91
2E Elephants Ir C 2 w/ Jls 105
2E Elephants Ir C 2 w/ Jls 105
8E Spear Ir D (1C) MI LTS,Jls,D,Sh 157
4E Marines Reg C LMI Jls,S,Sh 90
4E Marines Reg C LMI Jls,S,Sh 90
4E Returning Vets Reg C LMI Jls,B,Sh 90
6E javelins Ir C LI Jls,Sh 61

Sub - 2E Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh P (EP) 109
2E Cav Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh (EP) 91
6E Light Cav Ir C LC Jls,Sh 97
4E Marines Reg C LMI Jls,S,Sh 90
4E Returning Vets Reg C LMI Jls,B,Sh 90
4E Returning Vets Reg C LMI Jls,B,Sh 90
6E slingers Ir C LI S,Sh 61

Stone walls 15


Who is this Cheese Lord fellow and what is this list?

Well, Todd leverages his great experience with Regular loose missile foot that also have a melee capability.

Todd will have to comment...but I'd ask him how he felt about his frontage coverage (ability to influence/attack/deny table width).

Additionally, I don't quite like the Irr C LI or LC JLS,Sh.

Todd, finally, did you use the forward placeable Ditch?


You do make me giggle Frank.....

2 years ago I found the list to be more than adequate to cover the space but this year was very different. I wasn't able to control the spots of attacks - had to be the matchups overall and I paid the price. My dice were quite poor overall - especially in shooting and waivers. The stone walls were designed to try to cut down space especially on day 1 and I did not effectively place it and use it. Greg with Timurid and Mark with Lat. Pal Byz controlled the space better than I and I got crushed. The 2nd day I also struggled but a bit less- ok vs. Rich's Granadine (I misplayed a brush and Rich took advantage of it) and did ok vs. Alex's 10IS and then got crushed by Bill's Tepanec on the ice.

The poor lights are tough to work with - I was hoping the loose foot with missiles would supplement this lack and the terrain would help.

I didn't prepare as well as I did last year and it showed. Rough go for sure.

Todd

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject:

Todd Kaeser wrote:
Frank Gilson wrote:
Todd Kaeser wrote:
Todd Kaeser

Christian Nubian
1604 32 scouting

CinC 2E Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh PA (EP) 172
2E Cav Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh (EP) 91
2E Elephants Ir C 2 w/ Jls 105
2E Elephants Ir C 2 w/ Jls 105
8E Spear Ir D (1C) MI LTS,Jls,D,Sh 157
4E Marines Reg C LMI Jls,S,Sh 90
4E Marines Reg C LMI Jls,S,Sh 90
4E Returning Vets Reg C LMI Jls,B,Sh 90
6E javelins Ir C LI Jls,Sh 61

Sub - 2E Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh P (EP) 109
2E Cav Ir B EHC/HC L,Sh (EP) 91
6E Light Cav Ir C LC Jls,Sh 97
4E Marines Reg C LMI Jls,S,Sh 90
4E Returning Vets Reg C LMI Jls,B,Sh 90
4E Returning Vets Reg C LMI Jls,B,Sh 90
6E slingers Ir C LI S,Sh 61

Stone walls 15


Who is this Cheese Lord fellow and what is this list?

Well, Todd leverages his great experience with Regular loose missile foot that also have a melee capability.

Todd will have to comment...but I'd ask him how he felt about his frontage coverage (ability to influence/attack/deny table width).

Additionally, I don't quite like the Irr C LI or LC JLS,Sh.

Todd, finally, did you use the forward placeable Ditch?


You do make me giggle Frank.....

2 years ago I found the list to be more than adequate to cover the space but this year was very different. I wasn't able to control the spots of attacks - had to be the matchups overall and I paid the price. My dice were quite poor overall - especially in shooting and waivers. The stone walls were designed to try to cut down space especially on day 1 and I did not effectively place it and use it. Greg with Timurid and Mark with Lat. Pal Byz controlled the space better than I and I got crushed. The 2nd day I also struggled but a bit less- ok vs. Rich's Granadine (I misplayed a brush and Rich took advantage of it) and did ok vs. Alex's 10IS and then got crushed by Bill's Tepanec on the ice.

The poor lights are tough to work with - I was hoping the loose foot with missiles would supplement this lack and the terrain would help.

I didn't prepare as well as I did last year and it showed. Rough go for sure.

Todd


Yeah, that rust is pretty thick...I can tell you. Creeaaaakkkkk...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Early Paleologian NICT

Frank Gilson wrote:
Ewan McNay wrote:
2 CinC Reg A/B HK L, Sh
2 2iC Sub Reg B HK L, Sh
2 Irr B HK L, Sh
2 Irr B HK L, Sh

4 Reg C H/MC L, B, SH/L, B (Mongol)
4 Reg C H/MC L, B, SH/L, B (Mongol)
2 Reg B LC B (Mongol)
2 Reg B LC B (Mongol)
2 Reg C LC B (Mongol)

2 Reg B HC L, B, Sh (Byzantine)
2 Reg B HC L, B, Sh (Byzantine)

6 Reg D(1 C) LMI B,Sh/B
6 Reg D(1 C) LMI B,Sh/B
6 Reg D LI B, Sh/B
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg B LHI/LMI 2HCW, JLS, Sh


Another revised now playable Byzantine version...Early Pal.

You don't get the French Irr A SHK of Later Pal...but you do get some Mongols who excel dismounted, yet still have a mounted option...so really this is a dense shooting army with some HK and utility. I think we'll see it again.


A very interesting list and a very Ewan list as well. Fire and maneuver - hit a flank or other opportunity. Mongol rules for the LC and this is a very dangerous army. Varangian unit for schwerpunkt at a point in the enemy army as well. Regular army with 4 HK units, shooting and some shooting/fighting units with Gazmouli units = Jls,B,Sh.

I'll have to get some Mongol HC and LC to build this for the future. Looks like a fun army to run.

Todd

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Early Paleologian NICT

Todd Kaeser wrote:
Frank Gilson wrote:
Ewan McNay wrote:
2 CinC Reg A/B HK L, Sh
2 2iC Sub Reg B HK L, Sh
2 Irr B HK L, Sh
2 Irr B HK L, Sh

4 Reg C H/MC L, B, SH/L, B (Mongol)
4 Reg C H/MC L, B, SH/L, B (Mongol)
2 Reg B LC B (Mongol)
2 Reg B LC B (Mongol)
2 Reg C LC B (Mongol)

2 Reg B HC L, B, Sh (Byzantine)
2 Reg B HC L, B, Sh (Byzantine)

6 Reg D(1 C) LMI B,Sh/B
6 Reg D(1 C) LMI B,Sh/B
6 Reg D LI B, Sh/B
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg C LMI JLS, B, Sh
4 Reg B LHI/LMI 2HCW, JLS, Sh


Another revised now playable Byzantine version...Early Pal.

You don't get the French Irr A SHK of Later Pal...but you do get some Mongols who excel dismounted, yet still have a mounted option...so really this is a dense shooting army with some HK and utility. I think we'll see it again.


A very interesting list and a very Ewan list as well. Fire and maneuver - hit a flank or other opportunity. Mongol rules for the LC and this is a very dangerous army. Varangian unit for schwerpunkt at a point in the enemy army as well. Regular army with 4 HK units, shooting and some shooting/fighting units with Gazmouli units = Jls,B,Sh.

I'll have to get some Mongol HC and LC to build this for the future. Looks like a fun army to run.

Todd


I think you would do well with this list in particular, oh Cheese Lord...has some similarities to KOSJ...lots of dense shooting, some of which can fight, some lancers, good frontage.
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