Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Harlan, I am answering your questions on the group because I want everyone to
'hear' the answers.
1. Is Four Horsemen planning to publish an update rulebook with the latest
clarification?>>
Yes. When the supply of the first printing is exhausted, we will print a new
rulebook. It will incorporate the clarifications and Fast Warrior list
updates. It will also:
-be made with our new production values and layout. For an example, see the
Warrior Battles prototype pages in the files section.
-contain more examples of play. These will use the element images Charlie
Randow has made for us and not the circle and oval element drawings in the book
now.
-be devoid of 'Barkerisms' that survived into the first printing. I'll get
them all.... And more use will be made of bulleted lists and other packaging.
-contain an expanded terrain section, to include the 'in terrain' guidelines,
a terrain chart and a terrain summary rule
-contain four pages of color images of figures.
-include a paginated table of contents and an index.
-integrate 1HCW into the rules and charts

It will not contain any rules changes.

2. If you do publish an updated rule book, will it be available in loose
leaf format so it can easily be put in a binder and sheet protectors?
No. It will be perfect bound on glossy paper with color covers. This will
allow it to fit in store displays, be identifiable (from the binding) when
stored edge-on and compete with other rulebooks for the eye in a store or on a
dealer table.
Spiral or loose leaf binding is relatively inexpensive at places like
Kinko's. We will ensure the inside margins are wide enough that a player can do
that
to his rulebook without loss of text.

Warrior Battles will be our test case. When that is done and out, I will
begin editing the new rulebook.

There will be a program, DETAILS AS YET UNDETERMINED, where you can turn in
your old rulebook for a discount on the new one.

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 2/18/2004 22:27:36 Central Standard Time,
fredthebaddy@... writes:
How far away is campaign warrior?

Don't know yet. BELIEVE ME if we had the ability to do it faster or actually
had a clear production schedule beyond Classical Warrior, you'd be told here
the second we knew....

The rules for Campaign Warrior are essentially done. I don't have any active
outside playtesters, but we have been hard at them here in KC for more than a
year with no major glitches of any kind. There are two things between CamWar
and publication -

1. I am its author and Warrior Battles is in line before it.

2. I need two more campaigns to put in the book. I have the War of the
Roses and want at least two more, maybe three - a generic one, a greek or roman
one and a crusades one.

You know, if we had an angel investor and I could do this full time, I could
do AT LEAST two rulebooks a year and probably a lot more.... so, if you know
any rich gamers, send them our way....lol

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 2/18/2004 22:52:14 Central Standard Time,
Harlan.D.Garrett@... writes:
For us non-printer types, what is prefect bound? >>

Like a softcover book/paperback. Like a GW rulebook... ;)


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This all sounds great.

How far away is campaign warrior?

ANW

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
>
> Harlan, I am answering your questions on the group because I want
everyone to
> 'hear' the answers.
> 1. Is Four Horsemen planning to publish an update rulebook with
the latest
> clarification?>>
> Yes. When the supply of the first printing is exhausted, we will
print a new
> rulebook. It will incorporate the clarifications and Fast Warrior
list
> updates. It will also:
> -be made with our new production values and layout. For an
example, see the
> Warrior Battles prototype pages in the files section.
> -contain more examples of play. These will use the element images
Charlie
> Randow has made for us and not the circle and oval element
drawings in the book
> now.
> -be devoid of 'Barkerisms' that survived into the first printing.
I'll get
> them all.... And more use will be made of bulleted lists and
other packaging.
> -contain an expanded terrain section, to include the 'in terrain'
guidelines,
> a terrain chart and a terrain summary rule
> -contain four pages of color images of figures.
> -include a paginated table of contents and an index.
> -integrate 1HCW into the rules and charts
>
> It will not contain any rules changes.
>
> 2. If you do publish an updated rule book, will it be available
in loose
> leaf format so it can easily be put in a binder and sheet
protectors?
> No. It will be perfect bound on glossy paper with color covers.
This will
> allow it to fit in store displays, be identifiable (from the
binding) when
> stored edge-on and compete with other rulebooks for the eye in a
store or on a
> dealer table.
> Spiral or loose leaf binding is relatively inexpensive at places
like
> Kinko's. We will ensure the inside margins are wide enough that a
player can do that
> to his rulebook without loss of text.
>
> Warrior Battles will be our test case. When that is done and out,
I will
> begin editing the new rulebook.
>
> There will be a program, DETAILS AS YET UNDETERMINED, where you
can turn in
> your old rulebook for a discount on the new one.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Harlan Garrett]

Jon,

Thank you for your response, it appears that you are making many very good
changing (hmm, I mean clarifications and enhancements) in the next printing.
For us non-printer types, what is prefect bound?

Harlan

-----Original Message-----
From: JonCleaves@... [mailto:JonCleaves@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:21 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Warrior Rule Book




Harlan, I am answering your questions on the group because I want everyone
to
'hear' the answers.
1. Is Four Horsemen planning to publish an update rulebook with the latest
clarification?>>
Yes. When the supply of the first printing is exhausted, we will print a
new
rulebook. It will incorporate the clarifications and Fast Warrior list
updates. It will also:
-be made with our new production values and layout. For an example, see the

Warrior Battles prototype pages in the files section.
-contain more examples of play. These will use the element images Charlie
Randow has made for us and not the circle and oval element drawings in the
book
now.
-be devoid of 'Barkerisms' that survived into the first printing. I'll get
them all.... And more use will be made of bulleted lists and other
packaging. -contain an expanded terrain section, to include the 'in terrain'
guidelines,
a terrain chart and a terrain summary rule
-contain four pages of color images of figures.
-include a paginated table of contents and an index.
-integrate 1HCW into the rules and charts

It will not contain any rules changes.

2. If you do publish an updated rule book, will it be available in loose
leaf format so it can easily be put in a binder and sheet protectors? No.
It will be perfect bound on glossy paper with color covers. This will
allow it to fit in store displays, be identifiable (from the binding) when
stored edge-on and compete with other rulebooks for the eye in a store or on
a
dealer table.
Spiral or loose leaf binding is relatively inexpensive at places like
Kinko's. We will ensure the inside margins are wide enough that a player
can do that
to his rulebook without loss of text.

Warrior Battles will be our test case. When that is done and out, I will
begin editing the new rulebook.

There will be a program, DETAILS AS YET UNDETERMINED, where you can turn in
your old rulebook for a discount on the new one.

Jon


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Jon,

This is wonderful! I know of no other wargaming outfit that goes to such
trouble as you and your's have. Thanks for the hard work as I'm sure the
indexing was or will be an enormous task! I just received my Spearpoint and I
suppose that they are in need of articles. . . Wouldn't it be neat if FHE would
tantalize the Spearpoint readership with an army list or two that we will be
seeing in the future list books to come? I bet Rich Wright would love to get the
grist for his readership and we Warrior faithfuls would get a taste of what is
coming! That is if you would be willing to put out a few lists for publication.
. . I will be purchasing EVERY product you put out as will most everyone on this
list! I would just like to see more Warrior stuff in the Spearpoint as the
"Golden Age of DBM" is about to make me throw-up! Thanks for the excellent
news!

kelly wilkinson
PS The most recent article was Great!

JonCleaves@... wrote:


Harlan, I am answering your questions on the group because I want everyone to
'hear' the answers.
1. Is Four Horsemen planning to publish an update rulebook with the latest
clarification?>>
Yes. When the supply of the first printing is exhausted, we will print a new
rulebook. It will incorporate the clarifications and Fast Warrior list
updates. It will also:
-be made with our new production values and layout. For an example, see the
Warrior Battles prototype pages in the files section.
-contain more examples of play. These will use the element images Charlie
Randow has made for us and not the circle and oval element drawings in the book
now.
-be devoid of 'Barkerisms' that survived into the first printing. I'll get
them all.... And more use will be made of bulleted lists and other packaging.
-contain an expanded terrain section, to include the 'in terrain' guidelines,
a terrain chart and a terrain summary rule
-contain four pages of color images of figures.
-include a paginated table of contents and an index.
-integrate 1HCW into the rules and charts

It will not contain any rules changes.

2. If you do publish an updated rule book, will it be available in loose
leaf format so it can easily be put in a binder and sheet protectors?
No. It will be perfect bound on glossy paper with color covers. This will
allow it to fit in store displays, be identifiable (from the binding) when
stored edge-on and compete with other rulebooks for the eye in a store or on a
dealer table.
Spiral or loose leaf binding is relatively inexpensive at places like
Kinko's. We will ensure the inside margins are wide enough that a player can do
that
to his rulebook without loss of text.

Warrior Battles will be our test case. When that is done and out, I will
begin editing the new rulebook.

There will be a program, DETAILS AS YET UNDETERMINED, where you can turn in
your old rulebook for a discount on the new one.

Jon


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[joncleaves]

The idea of publishing 'teaser' lists is interesting, but it has
problems.

One, whatever I may or may not send to Spearpoint, I will no longer
be holding off publishing it here. So, if I did send SP a list to
tease folks about an upcoming product, they would have seen it here
first long before it arrived in their mailbox.

The other issue would be that any teaser list would be a draft. I
would not want to have any list out there in public that someone
plans on just to have him find out the published one is
substantially different. We'd have to caveat the hell out of it in
such a public venue and I am not sure that gets to what we'd be
trying to achieve by publishing it in the first place.

We'll talk about it at FHE, but not sure its something we'll do.

J

[Kelly Wilkinson]

That's cool Jon,

If nothing else, I just enjoy reading the historical information! The
exhaustive work done on the New World Lists were wonderful reading in it's own
right. And to be honest, too me, that is enough to wet my pallet! Whichever you
dicided to do, I know you will do what is best!

kelly

Jon <JonCleaves@...> wrote:
The idea of publishing 'teaser' lists is interesting, but it has
problems.

One, whatever I may or may not send to Spearpoint, I will no longer
be holding off publishing it here. So, if I did send SP a list to
tease folks about an upcoming product, they would have seen it here
first long before it arrived in their mailbox.

The other issue would be that any teaser list would be a draft. I
would not want to have any list out there in public that someone
plans on just to have him find out the published one is
substantially different. We'd have to caveat the hell out of it in
such a public venue and I am not sure that gets to what we'd be
trying to achieve by publishing it in the first place.

We'll talk about it at FHE, but not sure its something we'll do.

J



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[Harlan Garrett]

Well, that is the only reasons I am buying the army list is for the
historical information!

Harlan

-----Original Message-----
From: kelly wilkinson [mailto:jwilkinson62@...]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 3:05 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Warrior Rule Book


That's cool Jon,

If nothing else, I just enjoy reading the historical information! The
exhaustive work done on the New World Lists were wonderful reading in it's
own right. And to be honest, too me, that is enough to wet my pallet!
Whichever you dicided to do, I know you will do what is best!

kelly

Jon <JonCleaves@...> wrote:
The idea of publishing 'teaser' lists is interesting, but it has
problems.

One, whatever I may or may not send to Spearpoint, I will no longer
be holding off publishing it here. So, if I did send SP a list to
tease folks about an upcoming product, they would have seen it here
first long before it arrived in their mailbox.

The other issue would be that any teaser list would be a draft. I
would not want to have any list out there in public that someone
plans on just to have him find out the published one is
substantially different. We'd have to caveat the hell out of it in
such a public venue and I am not sure that gets to what we'd be
trying to achieve by publishing it in the first place.

We'll talk about it at FHE, but not sure its something we'll do.

J



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[Doug]

>No. It will be perfect bound on glossy paper with color covers.

Glossy paper is very bad; it is impossible to read under almost all
lighting conditions without angling the page just right. How about a
good quality matt paper?
--

Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Doug,

Why not let FHE decide how they will put their products together? I like
the idea of glossy paper as I'm a terrible slob when it comes to spilling stuff
like beer on my terrain and rules! Ask my opponents about my beer stained brush!

kelly wilkinson

Doug <rockd@...> wrote:
>No. It will be perfect bound on glossy paper with color covers.

Glossy paper is very bad; it is impossible to read under almost all
lighting conditions without angling the page just right. How about a
good quality matt paper?
--

Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

"That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well
regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to
arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free state." --
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[Doug]

>Doug,
> Why not let FHE decide how they will put their products
>together? I like the idea of glossy paper as I'm a terrible slob
>when it comes to spilling stuff like beer on my terrain and rules!
>Ask my opponents about my beer stained brush!
>
> kelly wilkinson

How about voicing your own opinion without the veiled _ad hominum_ attack?
--

Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

"That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well
regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to
arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free state." --
Within Mason's declaration of "the essential and unalienable Rights
of the People," -- later adopted by the Virginia ratification
convention, 1788

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Doug,

How about taking my comment at face value and recognizing that the glossy
paper is resistant to beer?! I like that in my rules as most are stained beyond
what is allowed by the law! :)

kelly

Doug <rockd@...> wrote:
>Doug,
> Why not let FHE decide how they will put their products
>together? I like the idea of glossy paper as I'm a terrible slob
>when it comes to spilling stuff like beer on my terrain and rules!
>Ask my opponents about my beer stained brush!
>
> kelly wilkinson

How about voicing your own opinion without the veiled _ad hominum_ attack?
--

Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

"That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well
regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to
arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free state." --
Within Mason's declaration of "the essential and unalienable Rights
of the People," -- later adopted by the Virginia ratification
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My current game partner, Ambrose, has laminated his entire rulebook.
It looks good and is stain resistent. My only stain is on the quick
reference card in the back, and the stain is coffee of all things :(

Wanax

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<snip miscommunication>

[Doug]

>Doug,
>
> How about taking my comment at face value and recognizing that

I recognize that you want me to shut up because you have a different
opinion. Why does FHE need your opinion at how to run their business
but not my opinion?
--

Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

Mr. WYTHE reported, from the committee appointed, such amendments...
as were by them deemed necessary... as follows:

"That there be a declaration or bill of rights asserting, and
securing from encroachment, the
essential and unalienable rights of the people, in some such manner
as the following:--
"17th. That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a
well-regulated militia,
composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the
proper, natural, and safe
defence of a free state;...
The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the
Federal Constitution (Elliot's Debates) Friday, June 27, 1788.
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