Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Ed Kollmer]

John M
You mentioned that you were putting these clarifications in a file. I have
been following this very intently, since I hope to run romans at Hcon. Could
you share that file with me. Or download it to the file section. My email is
ekollmer@...
I would really appreciate it.
Ed K



----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Murphy" <jjmurphy@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: RULES New Roman stuff


> Got it. I pasted this whole bunch of stuff into a text file for me to
> refer back to because I am likely to forget!
>
> But, Jon, do you see how this is more than just a bit weird since
> they count as subsequent bounds of HtH for support shooting but first
> contact for the actual HtH resolution? (see the snipped quotes below
> if I am mis-speaking here in which case I do not understand as well
> as I think I do!)
>
> I think I understand now, but this should definitely get a
> clarification and elaboration in a second printing I would hope.
>
> I am also concerned it is going to cause a lof people, who are not
> reading this barrage, massive confusion at Historicon when suddenly
> half the players or more are using these rules for the first time.
> Maybe for the Historicon Roman Empire theme Scott Holder, or whomever
> is the theme umpire if he is taking that day off, could put out a
> clarification of this in line with what you have said? And God help
> us all if he doesn't interpret this the same way! I guess that would
> pretty unusual though.
>
> Talk about "Medieval German Princes from Hell" these new Romans are
> going to be a bit complex themselves! But glad they came out like
> they did anyway. Just gonna take some time to figure out.
>
> Also, I had been planning on asking some questions regarding Roman
> Swordsmen "reversion" to 1HCW but when I look over the new rules,
> even with regard to Fulcum and dropping out of Fulcum, they seem to
> hang together pretty well and I can not seem to find the obfuscation
> that I had seen there previously.
>
> On that subject, wasn't there an earlier post a while back (weeks)
> from Mark Stone (I think it was) asking for clarification on 1HCW
> legionaries, maybe wrt Fulcum? I might have even asked a question at
> that time as well. Sorry to say I think that was when I started
> having problems understanding it because the clarification was the
> exact opposite of what I had incorrectly assumed for whatever reason.
> So now I am concerned since it seems so clear that I am back to the
> same incorrect assumption!
>
> I'll take a look back thru the archives sometime and see if I can dig
> it up again, and if so see wether it makes more sense to me now.
>
> So if that raises yet naother question to ask here I will, otherwise
> everything is wonderful!
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > The unit which is the contacted _target_ of the replacement
> charge counts as in first contact
> > > for HtH?>>
> > yes to first contact with those elements that are charged.
>
> and earlier...
> For the body being charged by a 'replacer', let's look at 8.83:
> "Bodies already in hand-to-hand contact from the previous bound can
> only shoot at their opponents and then only with bow from a rank of
> figures not eligible to fight (9.2)."
> So, he can't use CB or LB, etc and he can't use any figs in ranks
> eligible to fight. This is different (more limited) than if he were
> just sitting there not already in hth when the charger hit him - one
> of the many reasons to replace in combat - roman or otherwise.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

[John Murphy]

The file is there, it is called "Roman list rules clarifications"
although as stated is not a clarification but simply a question and
answer summary. It is also not very useful at this point for HtH
replacement (though some questions and answers on the other stuff are
of some value).

Instead, for issues related to HtH replacement and circulating
combatants, I would direct you to the following messages from the
archives, which I found the final relevant statements on I believe.

#12082 is Jon's statement about Follow-ups
#12116 is Jon's confirmation of my pretty much right (?)
understanding of the replacement rules, except for...
#12144 is Jon's correction about first contact from an old
clarification on file which he was nice enough to dig up on his own

Go by those, and you will have the HtH replacement rules down as
relates to Roman circulating combatants in particular. Now, the
tactics are a whole other issue. For the tactics question find Todd's
original post on the subject and track it to where all the issues
became fully defined and it will explain it very well.

Then maybe the file will be of some use for the other rules, but for
the circulating combatants I believe it can be misleading - it was
for me as I was going through it.


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "edward kollmer" <ekollmer@n...>
wrote:
> John M
> You mentioned that you were putting these clarifications in a file.
I have
> been following this very intently, since I hope to run romans at
Hcon. Could
> you share that file with me. Or download it to the file section. My
email is
> ekollmer@n...
> I would really appreciate it.
> Ed K
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J. Murphy" <jjmurphy@s...>
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 3:38 PM
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: RULES New Roman stuff
>
>
> > Got it. I pasted this whole bunch of stuff into a text file for
me to
> > refer back to because I am likely to forget!
> >
> > But, Jon, do you see how this is more than just a bit weird since
> > they count as subsequent bounds of HtH for support shooting but
first
> > contact for the actual HtH resolution? (see the snipped quotes
below
> > if I am mis-speaking here in which case I do not understand as
well
> > as I think I do!)
> >
> > I think I understand now, but this should definitely get a
> > clarification and elaboration in a second printing I would hope.
> >
> > I am also concerned it is going to cause a lof people, who are not
> > reading this barrage, massive confusion at Historicon when
suddenly
> > half the players or more are using these rules for the first time.
> > Maybe for the Historicon Roman Empire theme Scott Holder, or
whomever
> > is the theme umpire if he is taking that day off, could put out a
> > clarification of this in line with what you have said? And God
help
> > us all if he doesn't interpret this the same way! I guess that
would
> > pretty unusual though.
> >
> > Talk about "Medieval German Princes from Hell" these new Romans
are
> > going to be a bit complex themselves! But glad they came out like
> > they did anyway. Just gonna take some time to figure out.
> >
> > Also, I had been planning on asking some questions regarding Roman
> > Swordsmen "reversion" to 1HCW but when I look over the new rules,
> > even with regard to Fulcum and dropping out of Fulcum, they seem
to
> > hang together pretty well and I can not seem to find the
obfuscation
> > that I had seen there previously.
> >
> > On that subject, wasn't there an earlier post a while back (weeks)
> > from Mark Stone (I think it was) asking for clarification on 1HCW
> > legionaries, maybe wrt Fulcum? I might have even asked a question
at
> > that time as well. Sorry to say I think that was when I started
> > having problems understanding it because the clarification was the
> > exact opposite of what I had incorrectly assumed for whatever
reason.
> > So now I am concerned since it seems so clear that I am back to
the
> > same incorrect assumption!
> >
> > I'll take a look back thru the archives sometime and see if I can
dig
> > it up again, and if so see wether it makes more sense to me now.
> >
> > So if that raises yet naother question to ask here I will,
otherwise
> > everything is wonderful!
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > The unit which is the contacted _target_ of the replacement
> > charge counts as in first contact
> > > > for HtH?>>
> > > yes to first contact with those elements that are charged.
> >
> > and earlier...
> > For the body being charged by a 'replacer', let's look at 8.83:
> > "Bodies already in hand-to-hand contact from the previous bound
can
> > only shoot at their opponents and then only with bow from a rank
of
> > figures not eligible to fight (9.2)."
> > So, he can't use CB or LB, etc and he can't use any figs in ranks
> > eligible to fight. This is different (more limited) than if he
were
> > just sitting there not already in hth when the charger hit him -
one
> > of the many reasons to replace in combat - roman or otherwise.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >