Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/19/2004 2:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hrisikos@... writes:

> Is ths the new vogue? Have we started
> something here? If this trend continues, we might actually have a
> 15mm Open final that replicates the Peloponnesian War!! I
> can hardly
> contain myself.>>


Ah....all those Classical Warrior customers...... :)

[scott holder]

Hoplites...try them, you'll like them.

>But there's a perfectly good reason they went out of style: phalangites:)
Well, okay, constant internal fighting weakened any pan-hellenic resistance to
the Macedonian threat to the north, the Roman weapons system was being devised
in parallel but completely independently of Greece to deal with Greece-like
armies so they woulda been killed in the long haul, etc etc:):)

>Warrior's great at showing how weapons systems grew obsolete over time. The
chariot is a case in point. At least that perception of Warrior was pointed out
to me at Cold Wars and I must admit, there's some credence to it.

>Having said all of that, this thread just reinforces why I love theme
tournaments.

Scott "One Eye in Training" Holder

[Derek Downs]

So, looking for guidance in terms of what to expect in the NICT at Historicon,
these results really don't tell me anything. And that's a good thing.


-Mark Stone
"Expect the unexpected." Derekcus 2005


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[scott holder]

Sportsman: Charles Randow
Best Camp: Mike Mallamaci
Other folks nominated for Sportsman: Matt Kollmer, Steve Hollowell, Alex Stone.

15mm Mini Open

1) Craig Scott, Sassanid Persian, 29.5
2) Mike Kelly, Mongol, 21
3) Dave Dietrich, Mithradatic, 20.1
4) Charles Yaw, Sassanid Persian, 18.7
5) Kelly Wilkinson, Hohenstaufen Sicilian, 18
6) Tom Barkus, Mithradatic, 16.3
7) Dave Beatty, Mithradatic, 11.3
Steve Hollowell, Nikephorian Byzantine, 10.1
9) Mark Hissam, Medieval Spanish, 10
10) Bill Low, Later Carthaginian, 8.9
11) Jon Becker, Medieval Spanish, 8.8
12) Dan Woyke, Neo-Assyrian Empire, 8.7

25mm Mini Open

1) Mike Mallamaci, Nikephorian Byzantine, 27.9
2) Jamie Gentry, Scots Common, 22.9
3) Rob Turnball, Han Dynasty, 18
4) Scott McDonald, Mongol, 12.7
5) Dick Hurchanik, Later Ottoman Turkish, 12.4
6) Rich Kroupa, Medieval German Princes, 9.6
7) Eric Turner, Sassanid Persian, 9
Michael Bard, Syracusan, 7.1
9) Phil Gardocki, Anglo-Irish, 7
10) Allan Lougheed, Han Dynasty, 5.6

15mm Doubles

1) Dave Beatty & Dave Dietrich, Mithradatic, 26
2) Mark Hissam & John Murphy, Medieval Spanish, 25.6
3) Tim Grimmett & Don Carter, Gallic, 22.1
4) Eric Turner & Scott Holder, Early Visigoths, 20
5) Bill Low & Mike Mallamaci, Later Tang Dynasty, 19.7
6) Charles Yaw & Jon Becker, Italian Condotta, 15.7
7) Steve Hollowell & Kelly Wilkinson, Medieval Spanish, 10
Charles Randow & Robert Hoffrichter, Russ, 4.2

25mm Doubles

1) Frank Gilson & Dave Stier, Hundred Years War English, 43.4
2) Dave Markowitz & Ewan McNay, Sassanid Persian, 39.9
3) Tim Brown & Ambrose Coddington, Arab Conquest, 34.8
4) Jon Cleaves & Mike Turner, Han Dynasty, 33
5) Rob Turnball & Dick Hurchanik, Seleucid, 26.6
6) Rich Kroupa & Rich Kroupa's son, Berber, 19.2
7) Greg Hauser & Chris Schulitz, Sultanate of Delhi, 18.9
Dan Woyke & Matt Kollmer, Moldavian, 18.5
9) Mike Kelly & Mike Byrne, Nikephorian Byzantine, 17.8
10) Marc Cribbs & Jim Bisigani, Later Achaemenid Persian, 14.4
11) Mark Stone & Alex Stone, Shang Dynasty, 14.1
12) Jamie Gentry & Bill Chamis, Scots Common, 13.6
13) Michael Bard & Allan Lougheed, Han Dynasty, 11.8
Craig Scott & Bob Leibl, Sassanid Persian, 11.8

[Mark Stone]

One thing that I like a lot about these results:

There doesn't seem to be any real pattern to the armies people chose to take.

Lots of Sassanid Persian; that seems to be the current "top choice". But lots is
still a miniority by a long shot (even if *grumble* Alex and I did have to face
2 of them in 3 games). Some knight armies, but even there quite a mix. Some
pike armies. Not as many elephant armies as I anticipated (says he, who brought
370+ bows). I don't classify Sassanids as an elephant army, really; to me an
elephant army means six or more elephants. No Burmese, no Khmer; that's quite a
surprise. Quite a few armies from Oriental Warrior (Mongol, Tang, Shang, Han).
But I think it's fair to say that this was an area that was previously
under-represented.

So, looking for guidance in terms of what to expect in the NICT at Historicon,
these results really don't tell me anything. And that's a good thing.


-Mark Stone

[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 4/21/2005 5:04:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mark@... writes:
Indeed. I can confidently say that the army I'm bringing has never been played
at either Cold Wars or Historicon. Should be interesting; the figures are
ready, now I just need more practice.


-Mark
What army is that? Please email the troop list and your desired tactics to
everyone on this forum.

Derek


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[Mark Stone]

--- On April 21 I said: ---
>>
>> So, looking for guidance in terms of what to expect in the NICT at
Historicon,
>> these results really don't tell me anything. And that's a good thing.
>>
--- To which Derek replied: ---
>
> "Expect the unexpected." Derekcus 2005
>

Indeed. I can confidently say that the army I'm bringing has never been played
at either Cold Wars or Historicon. Should be interesting; the figures are
ready, now I just need more practice.


-Mark

[Mark Stone]

--- On April 21 Derek Downs said: ---
>
> -Mark
> What army is that? Please email the troop list and your desired tactics to
> everyone on this forum.
>

Gosh, Derek, I just don't seem to have a copy of the troop list handy; so sorry
about that. The "desired" tactics are pretty straightforward though:
- Roll up on shooting
- Roll up in hand to hand
- Pass all waver tests
- Hope my opponent deploys with his troops facing away from me

;-)

See you in July,
Mark

Greetings Mark,
If you need some practice bring it to KublaCon I have armies in both scales(
though I need to paint some cav in 25s) I don't think I will be going to
Historicon, unless we get a qualifier and its me
> Gosh, Derek, I just don't seem to have a copy of the troop list handy; so
sorry
> about that. The "desired" tactics are pretty straightforward though:
> - Roll up on shooting
> - Roll up in hand to hand
> - Pass all waver tests
> - Hope my opponent deploys with his troops facing away from me
>
>
>
> See you in July,
> Mark