Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Todd Schneider]

Reading mark's article on the Tang, I agree with much
of it. But at the same time I am also wondering if
many people, myself included, try and place to much
emphasis on finding an Army that does all things
equally well, rather than find an Army that does One
thing well, and by doing that One thing well, allows
it to do other things as well as, or better than, some
of the other Armies out there.

Admittedly, I am biased in this area. I am not a
mounted player. A lot of that has to do with the fact
that when I was first learning to play Warrior, I was
using LIR. Now, I liked that, becuase it has
everything a Warrior players needs to know how to run,
Close and loose order troops (Both Reg and Irr),
Mounted, Lights, shooters, stabbers, etc...The
learning curve was steep, but one I think has helped
me the past couple of years.

But the majority of the players in my Area are
Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is more
frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
and SHC and elephants.

Speaking from a personal point of view, there doesn't
seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed to
run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
find a list with as many of those
types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
decent support troops, and let em rip.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure I've made that comment
before, but what I was wondering was, is their really
a need for Shock troops, at least in large Numbers?
Or are there different way to achieve "Shock"

The Main troop type I use is MI LTS, B, Sh. In 6E
Units, they put out enough bow fire to dissuade most
oppoenents, included most mounted, and the LTS works
well in the First round of combat, and well enough
that aginst most oppoenents as long as the roll
Disparity between my rolling down and his rolling up,
I Survive most combats really well.
What works for me ecspecially is shooting my opponenet
to disorder, and then getting the free impetuous
charge off.

Now, the main problem I was running into was bringing
my opponent to where I wanted to fight him. lose
order troops aren't the best in closing with the
enemy, so I did buy some LMI troops as well, what I
call "Half-Moogs", it's more a poke at Jon than
anything else. Irr B 1/2 HTW B, Sh, 1/2 JLS, B,
Sh.
Shock Foot units I suppose, able to Skirmish, or Hit
real hard when they have to.

It been my expierence that I can march (even Force
March) much of my line, use my shooting judiciously
(splitting my enemies fire when neccessary) to
disorder them, and get the free charge.

Or, I march, sit and shoot while on Probe orders, and
entice him (or sometimes force him) into attacking me.

It served me well against Matt Johnsons HYWE English
in one battle, I used my Lights to screen my Line and
force his Irr Knights into charging, the light evaded,
my Spearmen held, shot his lips off and broke his unit
in the ensuing combat. Its a process I've used
against other army types, luckily noone plays Romans
here (yet), so I have yet to figure out what to do in
that area.

Ultimatley, I guess my point is that theres more to
shock than just Mounted and Irr A troops. Shooting,
if done well enough, can be a form of shock. While I
looked at the Later Tang List, even posted one, I
think If I was to build a OW Army, it would be the
Koryo Korean List. Gobs of Cheap LTS, B guys, backed
up by EHC lancers. Shoot the enemy to disorder,
charge in with the lancers, and away you go.

More than one way to skin a cat, and if your an OW
player, more than one way to cook it as well :-)

Any other ideas out there?

Todd

[Mark Stone]

--- On February 4 Todd said: ---

> But the majority of the players in my Area are
> Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is more
> frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
> and SHC and elephants.
>
> Speaking from a personal point of view, there doesn't
> seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed to
> run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
> find a list with as many of those
> types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
> decent support troops, and let em rip.

Todd, if you think that some decent support troops plus SHK/SHC/El provides an
easy formula for victory in Warrior by just pinning and letting 'em rip, then
I'd suggest you try it for a few games and see how you fare. Sounds like you'd
have plenty of lead you could borrow in your area to give it a try. I'd be very
interested to hear from you on the results.

Consist success against quality opponents in Warrior is _always_ going to be a
matter of style and grace. Not that all armies are equal by any means, but no
army is a substitute for skill.


-Mark Stone

[Todd Schneider]

Well, I've found an Army I like, and I am getter
better running it. Suits my style, and gives most of
my opponents enough pause. Thats been the key for me
getting better these psst few months, finding one list
I liked, and playing it against anyone and everyone.
Jumping around from list to list didn't help me that
much when started, in fact I think it slowed my
progress down.

But, like I said, it was a personal observation. I
know other styles dominate in other locales, but I'm
also still interested in hearing what other people
think.

Todd


--- Mark Stone <mark@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
--- On February 4 Todd said: ---

> But the majority of the players in my Area are
> Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is
more
> frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
> and SHC and elephants.
>
> Speaking from a personal point of view, there
doesn't
> seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed
to
> run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
> find a list with as many of those
> types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
> decent support troops, and let em rip.

Todd, if you think that some decent support troops
plus SHK/SHC/El provides an
easy formula for victory in Warrior by just pinning
and letting 'em rip, then
I'd suggest you try it for a few games and see how you
fare. Sounds like you'd
have plenty of lead you could borrow in your area to
give it a try. I'd be very
interested to hear from you on the results.

Consist success against quality opponents in Warrior
is _always_ going to be a
matter of style and grace. Not that all armies are
equal by any means, but no
army is a substitute for skill.


-Mark Stone

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Todd,

I think what your missing is some good light cavalry, and when I mean
"good" I mean regulars. If you'll recall our last game was in the team
tournament where my use of lights won the game for me. Certainly I was using the
"Elephant Crutch." But as I seem to recall the Elephants never fought. It was
actually my Citizen Militia LC JLS, Sh in conjuction with other support troops
who put the kabosh on your right flank command and a large unit of LI that force
marched to the center and pinned your large center command. I might note to the
readership that the army Todd plays usually is all foot. It has some very
excellent light infantry but those guys are still going to have to move before
any mounted and will most likely be out maneuvered by Reg LC and will usually be
taking a waiver test for being charged in a flank. My belief is that with the
Tang, Todd will have those elements that his present army lacks with the added
benefit of regular maneuverability. As a player, I respect
Todds tenacity in playing for the most part a one dimensional army well. I just
like the having the quadrapeds around. :)


kel



Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, I've found an Army I like, and I am getter
better running it. Suits my style, and gives most of
my opponents enough pause. Thats been the key for me
getting better these psst few months, finding one list
I liked, and playing it against anyone and everyone.
Jumping around from list to list didn't help me that
much when started, in fact I think it slowed my
progress down.

But, like I said, it was a personal observation. I
know other styles dominate in other locales, but I'm
also still interested in hearing what other people
think.

Todd


--- Mark Stone <mark@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
--- On February 4 Todd said: ---

> But the majority of the players in my Area are
> Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is
more
> frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
> and SHC and elephants.
>
> Speaking from a personal point of view, there
doesn't
> seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed
to
> run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
> find a list with as many of those
> types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
> decent support troops, and let em rip.

Todd, if you think that some decent support troops
plus SHK/SHC/El provides an
easy formula for victory in Warrior by just pinning
and letting 'em rip, then
I'd suggest you try it for a few games and see how you
fare. Sounds like you'd
have plenty of lead you could borrow in your area to
give it a try. I'd be very
interested to hear from you on the results.

Consist success against quality opponents in Warrior
is _always_ going to be a
matter of style and grace. Not that all armies are
equal by any means, but no
army is a substitute for skill.


-Mark Stone

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[Todd Schneider]

Actually, I am leanin more towards Koryo Korean than
Tang. But I also recall I was quite reluctant to use
one of my MI blocks to keep moving forward and
pressing that big LI Unit. Instead I tired to shoot
it away, which didn't work. Lesson Learned :-)

That game, followed by my game with John Garlic and a
game against Jon have shown me how effective USING A
close order Block of foot can be in running of lights.

We'll see how it works later today.

Todd


--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Todd,

I think what your missing is some good light
cavalry, and when I mean "good" I mean regulars. If
you'll recall our last game was in the team tournament
where my use of lights won the game for me. Certainly
I was using the "Elephant Crutch." But as I seem to
recall the Elephants never fought. It was actually my
Citizen Militia LC JLS, Sh in conjuction with other
support troops who put the kabosh on your right flank
command and a large unit of LI that force marched to
the center and pinned your large center command. I
might note to the readership that the army Todd plays
usually is all foot. It has some very excellent light
infantry but those guys are still going to have to
move before any mounted and will most likely be out
maneuvered by Reg LC and will usually be taking a
waiver test for being charged in a flank. My belief is
that with the Tang, Todd will have those elements that
his present army lacks with the added benefit of
regular maneuverability. As a player, I respect
Todds tenacity in playing for the most part a one
dimensional army well. I just like the having the
quadrapeds around. :)



kel




Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, I've found an Army I like, and I am getter
better running it. Suits my style, and gives most of
my opponents enough pause. Thats been the key for me
getting better these psst few months, finding one list
I liked, and playing it against anyone and everyone.
Jumping around from list to list didn't help me that
much when started, in fact I think it slowed my
progress down.

But, like I said, it was a personal observation. I
know other styles dominate in other locales, but I'm
also still interested in hearing what other people
think.

Todd


--- Mark Stone <mark@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
--- On February 4 Todd said: ---

> But the majority of the players in my Area are
> Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is
more
> frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
> and SHC and elephants.
>
> Speaking from a personal point of view, there
doesn't
> seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed
to
> run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
> find a list with as many of those
> types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
> decent support troops, and let em rip.

Todd, if you think that some decent support troops
plus SHK/SHC/El provides an
easy formula for victory in Warrior by just pinning
and letting 'em rip, then
I'd suggest you try it for a few games and see how you
fare. Sounds like you'd
have plenty of lead you could borrow in your area to
give it a try. I'd be very
interested to hear from you on the results.

Consist success against quality opponents in Warrior
is _always_ going to be a
matter of style and grace. Not that all armies are
equal by any means, but no
army is a substitute for skill.


-Mark Stone

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Man you better get some sleep. I've got Thranduil's army today with a fat
Quadraped crutch for shock power. Matt showed me a couple of nights back that
it's good to have a fat Ancient Dragon in your corner when it comes to push and
shove situations!
k
PS Be safe.

Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Actually, I am leanin more towards Koryo Korean than
Tang. But I also recall I was quite reluctant to use
one of my MI blocks to keep moving forward and
pressing that big LI Unit. Instead I tired to shoot
it away, which didn't work. Lesson Learned :-)

That game, followed by my game with John Garlic and a
game against Jon have shown me how effective USING A
close order Block of foot can be in running of lights.

We'll see how it works later today.

Todd


--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Todd,

I think what your missing is some good light
cavalry, and when I mean "good" I mean regulars. If
you'll recall our last game was in the team tournament
where my use of lights won the game for me. Certainly
I was using the "Elephant Crutch." But as I seem to
recall the Elephants never fought. It was actually my
Citizen Militia LC JLS, Sh in conjuction with other
support troops who put the kabosh on your right flank
command and a large unit of LI that force marched to
the center and pinned your large center command. I
might note to the readership that the army Todd plays
usually is all foot. It has some very excellent light
infantry but those guys are still going to have to
move before any mounted and will most likely be out
maneuvered by Reg LC and will usually be taking a
waiver test for being charged in a flank. My belief is
that with the Tang, Todd will have those elements that
his present army lacks with the added benefit of
regular maneuverability. As a player, I respect
Todds tenacity in playing for the most part a one
dimensional army well. I just like the having the
quadrapeds around. :)



kel




Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, I've found an Army I like, and I am getter
better running it. Suits my style, and gives most of
my opponents enough pause. Thats been the key for me
getting better these psst few months, finding one list
I liked, and playing it against anyone and everyone.
Jumping around from list to list didn't help me that
much when started, in fact I think it slowed my
progress down.

But, like I said, it was a personal observation. I
know other styles dominate in other locales, but I'm
also still interested in hearing what other people
think.

Todd


--- Mark Stone <mark@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
--- On February 4 Todd said: ---

> But the majority of the players in my Area are
> Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is
more
> frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
> and SHC and elephants.
>
> Speaking from a personal point of view, there
doesn't
> seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed
to
> run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
> find a list with as many of those
> types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
> decent support troops, and let em rip.

Todd, if you think that some decent support troops
plus SHK/SHC/El provides an
easy formula for victory in Warrior by just pinning
and letting 'em rip, then
I'd suggest you try it for a few games and see how you
fare. Sounds like you'd
have plenty of lead you could borrow in your area to
give it a try. I'd be very
interested to hear from you on the results.

Consist success against quality opponents in Warrior
is _always_ going to be a
matter of style and grace. Not that all armies are
equal by any means, but no
army is a substitute for skill.


-Mark Stone

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[Todd Schneider]

On the night shift this wek. Day off, have to
maintain the schedule. Besides, I am sue I have a
feathered Serpent that can help me out. It's here
somewheres....

Todd


--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Man you better get some sleep. I've got Thranduil's
army today with a fat Quadraped crutch for shock
power. Matt showed me a couple of nights back that
it's good to have a fat Ancient Dragon in your corner
when it comes to push and shove situations! ;)

k
PS Be safe.

Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Actually, I am leanin more towards Koryo Korean than
Tang. But I also recall I was quite reluctant to use
one of my MI blocks to keep moving forward and
pressing that big LI Unit. Instead I tired to shoot
it away, which didn't work. Lesson Learned :-)

That game, followed by my game with John Garlic and a
game against Jon have shown me how effective USING A
close order Block of foot can be in running of lights.

We'll see how it works later today.

Todd


--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Todd,

I think what your missing is some good light
cavalry, and when I mean "good" I mean regulars. If
you'll recall our last game was in the team tournament
where my use of lights won the game for me. Certainly
I was using the "Elephant Crutch." But as I seem to
recall the Elephants never fought. It was actually my
Citizen Militia LC JLS, Sh in conjuction with other
support troops who put the kabosh on your right flank
command and a large unit of LI that force marched to
the center and pinned your large center command. I
might note to the readership that the army Todd plays
usually is all foot. It has some very excellent light
infantry but those guys are still going to have to
move before any mounted and will most likely be out
maneuvered by Reg LC and will usually be taking a
waiver test for being charged in a flank. My belief is
that with the Tang, Todd will have those elements that
his present army lacks with the added benefit of
regular maneuverability. As a player, I respect
Todds tenacity in playing for the most part a one
dimensional army well. I just like the having the
quadrapeds around. :)



kel




Todd Schneider <thresh1642@...> wrote:
Well, I've found an Army I like, and I am getter
better running it. Suits my style, and gives most of
my opponents enough pause. Thats been the key for me
getting better these psst few months, finding one list
I liked, and playing it against anyone and everyone.
Jumping around from list to list didn't help me that
much when started, in fact I think it slowed my
progress down.

But, like I said, it was a personal observation. I
know other styles dominate in other locales, but I'm
also still interested in hearing what other people
think.

Todd


--- Mark Stone <mark@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
--- On February 4 Todd said: ---

> But the majority of the players in my Area are
> Medieval or Elephant Army players, and nothing is
more
> frustrating than being run over continuously by SHK
> and SHC and elephants.
>
> Speaking from a personal point of view, there
doesn't
> seem to be a lot of style, grace, or tactics needed
to
> run such armies. Mostly it seems that people try and
> find a list with as many of those
> types of troops as they can, with a few elements of
> decent support troops, and let em rip.

Todd, if you think that some decent support troops
plus SHK/SHC/El provides an
easy formula for victory in Warrior by just pinning
and letting 'em rip, then
I'd suggest you try it for a few games and see how you
fare. Sounds like you'd
have plenty of lead you could borrow in your area to
give it a try. I'd be very
interested to hear from you on the results.

Consist success against quality opponents in Warrior
is _always_ going to be a
matter of style and grace. Not that all armies are
equal by any means, but no
army is a substitute for skill.


-Mark Stone

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