Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Gents,
Am new to this list. Many moons ago, I tried to read 7th & decided to
go with Tactica as a result. Am hoping that your efforts will result in
my being able to read this ruleset, as I think that it has some potential
in historical conflicts. (No tournaments for THIS ancients gamer.)
Are you folks planning a complete re-write or just a few changes?
Thank-you for your time. Francis Reed

I have a few questions and commnets after playing in a small, but
very enjoyable, Crusades tournament this weekend. Most of these involve
a rule change that was dumped on me, and if this ground has already been
covered I apologize for being tardy joining the list.

The rule in question is dismounting knights and mounted infantry. As I
understand it, they are now disordered until the end of the turn in
which they dismount (a cessation caused disorder were the cause is
gone at the end of the turn, effectivly making it so that they cannot
effectively fight or shoot missles the trun they dismount or mount).

The first question is why did this creep back into the game?
Historically, knights dismounted to face the Swiss (read as any pike
army, as the Swiss blow, the Macedonians and their offspring do not) and
to fight missle armed troops (this would be the English historically, but
would include the many horse archers, bow armies, etc. due to the nature
of the tournaments). The mounted infantry, the Russ HI, Vikings, and probably
the most important, later medieval mounted longbowmen that appear on almost
every list. The high cost of these troops (mounted infantry pay 2 extra points,
knights work out to cost 13 points a piece for SHI) more than makes up
for the ability of these troops to dismount, let alone the requirement to
prompt a dismount for the knights and the fatigue taken by SHI when moving.
This 'new' rule penalizes historical
tactics for these late armies, especially against unhistorical opponents
(Pike and elephant armies) where there can be a lack of troops to deal with
these threats. Add to this that the tactic is easily countered by having
some sort of lance armed heavy cavalry (which almost any army gets) which
can just ride down the SHI in the open. I would ask that it be considered to
change the rule back to what it has been this past year, no disorder for
mounting and dismounting (especially given the average length of game 6-7
turns and the amount of time each turn represents, 15 minutes).

If the rule does stay, and dismounting causes disorder, how
does it work. It is cessation caused which (if I read it right) means that
at the end of the turn you are ordered (unlike the rule from two years
ago were you would be disordered the turn turn you dismount and the whole
of the following turn). Is this true?

Also, if you enter combat, and one of the following does not occur:
a) take three CPF
b) lose combat to mounted troops (if you are dismounted)
c) take 2x the hand to hand as your opponent and at least 1 CPF
Do you still become undisordered at the end of the turn as the cessation
that caused the disorder (the mounts coming or going) is gone?

Finally, I was amazed to see how people cost mounted infantry. Which is the
correct way:
To buy three figures at the cost of infantry + 2 points, to represent
the three figures on the mounted infantry horse stand?
To buy four figures at the cost of infantry + 2 points, to represent
the four figures (for regular and close irrregular) on the dismounted stand?

Thank you for your patience.
Sean Scott

[Chris Bump]

Anyone,

I have tried going to the web page for NASAMW and when I click on it, I get
some Italian's home page. Can someone explain,help?

Additionally, can someone please give me Scott's "Zog's World" address. I
use to have it but failed to transfer it from favorites when I changed
computers.

Chris

[scott holder]

http://osagecon.missouri.org/~dauphine/index.htm

Click on the ancients link and then bookmark *that* location if you wanna
avoid the other crap on the intro page.

>>> cncbump@... 10/18/00 6:58:00 AM >>>
Anyone,

I have tried going to the web page for NASAMW and when I click on it, I get
some Italian's home page. Can someone explain,help?

Additionally, can someone please give me Scott's "Zog's World" address. I
use to have it but failed to transfer it from favorites when I changed
computers.

Chris


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To the Four Horsemen,
While I understand your deisre not to change core rules, when I was
contimplating
scenery for my town last night, I realized that I had no idea what to
paint.
The
reason being that my climate (Italian Condatta) is warm and I am rarely in
my
home climate. I realize how the climate system developed and see the
advantages
to this system, but some armies (the Condatta being one) rarely if ever
left
their home region, while the Romans (who come from the same region) most
assuredly did. Could you come up with a optional rule that has a system
(ala.
DBM) based on the agressiveness of the army and not the region from which
it
comes from.
Thank you in advance,

Sean

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Dear all,
I've just returned from holiday and feel obliged to express
my disgust at what happened last Tuesday, and to apologize for my
'countrymen' who feel obliged to criticize the US at all times, even at
this time. I hope that you realize the support from ordinary people you
have this side of the pond and how strongly we feel for you, we've put
up with this sort of thing (though not on this scale) for over 30 years
and understand how you must feel. When you find out who it was,
understand that we will support you all the way. Find the murderers who
did this and make them glow.

My thoughts are with you all

Les.

[Chris Bump]

Dude,

I just sent a rather terse response to Gilles. Perhaps you or Pat, although
you seem to be better with words, can soften it by telling him that we all
still love him.

What ever.

Chris

Greetings,


Bill L and I played our 2nd and 3rd games of FW today. It took about
3.5 hours for both games, so we're improving – time wise at
least:) We both got to play the EIR and trounce the other.

Two questions arose from flank charges:

A Roman LHI unit charged some LMI Dacians in the flank. Does this
cause a Waiver Test for the Dacians? We searched through the rules
and could not find a reference for waiver testing due to a flank
charge. Maybe its all those other rule sets we have in our head, it
seemed odd not to test from a flank shot. The Dacians did break from
the resulting combat.

A Roman LHI unit (fighting Dacian LMI to its front) was charged in
the flank by Dacian LI. The LHI destroyed the LMI but recoiled from
the LI. There was a Roman HI unit right next to the LHI.
Ex.
si> LHI HI
lmi

1. What are the mechanics for a "sideways" recoil?

2. We assumed that the LHI was inhibited from recoiling sideways
into the HI, thus causing a 2nd disorder. Is this correct?

The EIR really ate up those Dacians in the bounds after initial
contact. If the Dacians were not successful in their initial impetus
charge, they're tired and they're history. The 2HCW is
nasty, but being shieldless definitely hurts more. The second game
only lasted 4 turns before the Dacians were demoralized. Very
enjoyable!

Thanks,
Fred

[Mark Mallard]

i suspect the hill may have changed somehat in 900+ years

time tends to flatten


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Hi all,

Having had the weekend to digest (urp!) more fo the rules, a few more
questions come to mind.

Please bear with me...

1. In the FW lists, are the units set? ie, in the Alexandrian
Macedonian list, are you limited to 1 4 element Hypaspist unit, and
1 8 element Phalangite, or can you break up the Phalangites into 2 4
element units?

2. In converting the WRG Army lists (I use the August, 1981 Book 1),
I presume you multiply the number of figures into elements, and the
number of elements plus command into the unit.

3. I never played Seventh, so I also presume that when it says "up
to 20 regular commands at 10 points" you are limited to no more than
20 units?

4. Is 12 the maximum number of elements you can put into a unit?

Thanks...
Dave Lynch

thanks for leting me on. patrick


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[Harlan Garrett]

Gentlemen,

Here are the results from the Let's Bash the French Warrior Tournament held
on June 21 - 22, 2003 at Lonestar Comics, Arlington, TX :

1st Place: Greg Regets* - Knights of Saint John
2nd Place: Don Coon - Ghaznavid
3rd Place: Kelly Wilkerson* - Pergamene
4th Place: Michael Forbes - Carolingian Franks
5th Place: John Winkler - Italian Condotta
6th Place: Gilles Hudenot* - Vikings
7th Place: Mike Russell - Carthagans
8th Place: Pat Byrnes* - Later Crusaders Early Period
9th Place: John Chriss - Tlaxcallans
10th Place: Bill Chriss* - Hellenistic Greek
11th Place: Harlan Garrett* - Later Crusaders Late Period
*NASAMW Member in good standing

Best Newbie: Mike Russell - 15 years old
Best Painted Army: Pat Byrnes - Vikings
Best Sport: Bill Chriss
Longest Drive: Kelly Wilkerson - Over 560 Miles
Made the most waver check in one bound: Pat Byrnes - 14 of 15
Qualified for NICT: Greg Regets
Wrath of the Dice Gods: Gilles Hudenot

Special thanks to Mike Lourne and Lonestar Comics (Arlington, TX) for their
support, venue, and great assistance in organizing the tournament.

Special thanks to Dibbles Hobbies (San Antonio, TX) for their extremely
generous contributions to our prizes.

I look forward to seeing all of you at our Bring Your Favorite Newbie Team
Warrior Tournament schedule on August 23-24, 2003 at Lonestar Comics in
Arlington, TX (Dallas-Fort Worth, TX). Remember, pre-registration ends July
31, 2003.

Respectfully,
Harlan D. Garrett
San Antonio, TX
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[joncleaves]

How many figures count fighting when close order LTS,Sh charge
impetuous into any foot unit.>>

8. 9.22

<< Also, are impetuous LTS,Sh considered
steady for purposes of getting all 8 figures to fight verses foot?>>

Impetuous has no impact on how many figures fight. Impetuous has nothing to do
with being steady or not - steady means not disordered (or shaken, which
includes disorder) or broken.

Being Impetuous will affect the Tactical Modifier imposed on your
opponent for facing LTS though, and that -2 is nice!

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> How many figures count fighting when close order LTS,Sh charge
> impetuous into any foot unit.>>
>
> 8. 9.22
>
> << Also, are impetuous LTS,Sh considered
> steady for purposes of getting all 8 figures to fight verses foot?>>
>
> Impetuous has no impact on how many figures fight. Impetuous has
nothing to do with being steady or not - steady means not disordered
(or shaken, which includes disorder) or broken.