Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Doug]

>Oh, NICT/Cold wars/HCon is set by NASAMW - not us. There is nothing
>whatsoever preventing one or more of those tourneys including
>x-rules except participant preference.
>
>Jon

Jon, your sentiment here is directly contradicted by this post by Scott.

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:24:58 -0500
Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] santioned events

Since I currently wear the hat of NASAMW Warrior Ump, it's somewhat
of a non-starter.

I have no plans on implementing x-rules for the NICT. Theme
tourneys, different story since we've had a long tradition of "theme
rules".

No x-rules will be in use at Hcon this year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stone
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:19 PM
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/2/2004 12:47:52 Central Daylight Time,
rockd@... writes:

>Oh, NICT/Cold wars/HCon is set by NASAMW - not us. There is nothing
>whatsoever preventing one or more of those tourneys including
>x-rules except participant preference.
>
>Jon

Jon, your sentiment here is directly contradicted by this post by Scott.>>
Not at all. I said participant preference and meant it. There is NO
substantial participant preference for x-rules at the NICT and I would not
really
expect there to ever be any.
Scott said what he did about the HCon 04 theme/mini/open specifically
because the con is next month and people have already long since planned what
they
are taking. No one is advocating a change at such a late date - that would
be madness.
If there is to be any Fall In 04/Cold Wars 05/HCon 05 theme/mini/open
x-rules stuff, the discussion should start immediately after HCon in July so
that
Scott can get a feel for participant preference and implement planning for the
next major event.
Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/2/2004 14:43:10 Central Daylight Time,
jjmurphy@... writes:

One 2004 NICT qualifier suggested trying something at the 2005 NICT
(which still permits plenty of preparation time with the whole point
being the trickle-down effect to other tourneys so hardly meaningful
for next month), and another 2004 NICT qualifier seconded that very
possibility be examined.>>

Its the 2005 qualifiers who will get asked about the 2005 NICT. They will
all get their voice when the time comes.

My *personal* (non-FHE) speculation is that, since I know just about
everyone who normally qualifies, there will not be a majority in favor of
x-rules in
the NICT. I know I *personally* would not be...

But, we'll see when the time comes!

Jon




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[John Murphy]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> There is NO
> substantial participant preference for x-rules at the NICT and I
would not really
> expect there to ever be any.

Now, I have no significant problem with things the way they are, but
just as a minor point...

One 2004 NICT qualifier suggested trying something at the 2005 NICT
(which still permits plenty of preparation time with the whole point
being the trickle-down effect to other tourneys so hardly meaningful
for next month), and another 2004 NICT qualifier seconded that very
possibility be examined. That is at least 2 out of 30-ish in the
past few days and a silent majority that really has not been asked
their opinion on the subject (have they really in more than just
14.0/Fortification terms - I may be incorrect but I do not recall
such in the questionnaire?)

Not a request for change per se, but in general principles I would
think it a bit premature, for any of the Ho's, to make this
assumption about sectors of the player base without being a bit more
guarded.

While I think the vast majority of players support you in your
committment to rules stability I am not so certain that they are not
perfectly willing to try stuff out, even in the NICT - but generally
given the pattern of many people's playing opportunities I think
realistically the point made earlier is correct that the onus for
this is going to fall on the tournament organizers (just like the
whole 14.0 issue).

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/3/2004 08:55:00 Central Daylight Time,
jjmurphy@... writes:

One note though - just to set the record straight once again, don't
expect you to do it and it doesn't really bother me and you probably
could care less if it did - if you wait to poll the 2005 qualifiers
it would undoubtedly be rather way too late to do this in a
meaningful way. I do not think that after the gamut of qualification
events and when everyone more or less has their armies set that it
would be at all acceptable to _any_ of them. Nor would it provide
any incentive at all for qualifying tourneys to be run using the
same rules.>>
That is why Scott polls the prior year's qualifiers shortly after the event
and then again as the NICT gets closer.
I would tell you, however, that - in my opinion only - I would never vote
for x-rules in the NICT. To me, the NICT (in its role as the US Nationals) is
the premier showcase of a player's ability to play Warrior. Having x-rules
thrown in would change the nature of the competition to something other than
that.
Jon





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[John Murphy]

Hey, I agree here in terms of a majority. I just wanted to be sure
that an assumption there was "NO significant" interest didn't slip
in.

One note though - just to set the record straight once again, don't
expect you to do it and it doesn't really bother me and you probably
could care less if it did - if you wait to poll the 2005 qualifiers
it would undoubtedly be rather way too late to do this in a
meaningful way. I do not think that after the gamut of qualification
events and when everyone more or less has their armies set that it
would be at all acceptable to _any_ of them. Nor would it provide
any incentive at all for qualifying tourneys to be run using the
same rules.

[scott holder]

I would tell you, however, that - in my opinion only - I would never vote
for x-rules in the NICT. To me, the NICT (in its role as the US Nationals) is
the premier showcase of a player's ability to play Warrior. Having x-rules
thrown in would change the nature of the competition to something other than
that.

>That sums how I feel about it as well. Love x-rules, just don't love em in the
NICT.