Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Don Coon]

I have finally made the time to comment on the 010221 copy of the rules.Here they are:2.1 Reword to: Troops are divided into nine classes defining their morale.2.13 Reword to: Regular and Irregular are then...A. Regular - guard and...quality.  Irregular - fanatics and...B. Regular - recognized in their...remainder.  Ireegular - of noble birth...C. Regular - The great...regulars.  Irregular - troops who are willing and...D. Regular - second rate...units.  Ireegular - usually relucant...E. Regular - there are no regular E.  Irregular - forced levies...The above changes help the english flow more smoothly and consistently.2.22 Add "order" to all troop type definitions.  As in "Loose order" rather than "loose".  This stays consistent with 2.21.2.22 under SHK - Mixture should not be capitalized.2.22 under HC "wen" should be "men"2.22 many locations "armour" should be "armor"2.22 Art third line reword to: with crews of four, 1 talent stonethrowers with crews of five, or 3 talent stonethrowers with crews of six, or bombards...In the 6th line you defined a mina.  Could you define a talent too?2.33 Line 1 - Add "and cost more per figure" after training.  Delete "therefore"Line 3 reword to with 2HCT pay for two categories.2.33 dismounted knights line 1.  Delete "and" after 2HCW.2.511  I have tried to reword this several times.  I can not for the life of me figure out how to base 6mm from this description.  There is no way a native english speaker picking up the game for the first time will unlock this puzzle.2.511 reword to: stampeding herds and war dogs fight and cost as four...E class troops fight and cost as 3...2.512 using troops based differently 2nd para delete "larger"  add "to be based together" after "frontage".Last sentence "such troops may...though irregular.  What the heck does this mean?  Expand in a maneuver as though irregular?  I am not seeing what the intent of this statement is.  Are you saying if I base my Reg C MI troops 4X2 on 1 40mm deep base I expand as Irr C?  Thats what it sounds like.2.513 4th sentance reword to: An idependant staff element...3.2 Item 3 line 2.  This is contradicted by 5.224.  5.224 is wrong.  See 5.224 comments.Item 6.  Combat direction is in para 8.11 not 8.14.11 2IC and 3IC should be 2INC, 3INC to be consistent with CINC nomenclature.4.21 2nd para add "representing the battlefield" after "map".End of comments through page 16.  More to follow.Don

[joncleaves]

Don

Excellent. I hereby award you post of the month.
Keep it coming.

Jon

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/21/2001 18:58:32 Central Standard Time, jendon@...
writes:

<< 4.22 In the para about an opponent suspected of not meeting orders, it
says to consult a referee if one is available. What if he is not? This
statement has no place in a rules set for private play. Imagine two guys
walk into a game store and buy this game. They take it home to play and are
confronted with this para. "MOM Jimmy is under attack orders, and he only
moved 4 of 9 bodies" "MOM I did so move 5". >>

What, Don, you think two guys on this list would act that way??? Perish the
thought.

[Don Coon]

Here we go with page 17+
 
4.22 In the para about an opponent suspected of not meeting orders, it says to consult a referee if one is available.  What if he is not?  This statement has no place in a rules set for private play.  Imagine two guys walk into a game store and buy this game.  They take it home to play and are confronted with this para.  "MOM Jimmy is under attack orders, and he only moved 4 of 9 bodies"  "MOM I did so move 5".
 
4.22 last para add "& 6.163" to the parenthetical 11.1.
 
4.3 prompts.  The enitire "charges do not need to be prompted" block must be moved to 6.163. It has no business here.  It is very much needed in 6.163.
 
4.41 2nd para.  Reword to: A communication is to as many destinations as the number of units in a command when the CINC changes the orders...  This is MUCH easier to read (especially for a newbie).
 
4.42 2nd communication minute charge.  Add "visible to the general when the command is dispatched" to the end.  Delete "so".  Bulleted list should have each line stand alone.
 
4.51 Rush orders  The hazard reference should be (7.5) not (9.6).
 
4.51 Wait 4th bullet.  Reword to: Only troops within enemy charge reach can attempt to counter.
This clears up a lot of cheesy counters that go on to prevent a body from retiring when under retreat.
 
5.1 Reword to: Bodies can be any one of eager, willing, uneasy, shaken, or demoralized.
 
5.11 Reword to: Bodies are eager while any of the following apply.
 
5.11 under the list for canceling eager delete bullet 2 and 3.
 
5.12 Reword to: Willing is the normal state for troops.
 
5.13 Reword to: Bodies become uneasy when any of the following apply {EX: Eager 5.11}
 
5.13 third arrowed item - delete this line.
 
5.141 Modifiers to waver test 2nd line: Reword to: All HTH opponents broke this bound.
This is important as it is VERY rare that ALL opponents break in one round.
 
5.152 Last sentance: Delete "have" between "may" and "be"
 
5.2 Reword to: A body can be any one of steady, disordered, broken, or destroyed.
 
5.224 2nd recovery:  Delete "End" and replace with "proper".  Add "5.43, 5.44" to parenthetical reference.
 
5.224 Example #1.  This is honked up.  Mounted charging across rough is a cessation cured disorder and as such, the body should lose disordered staus in the end phase of the bound it charged.  It is ALSO in a mandatory rally situation for charging without contact.  This is a very poor example (and incorrect in my opinion) of the idea you are trying to convey here.  The fact that the LC evades and the HC do not reach it, have nothing to do with rally cured disorder.  Read 5.222 and you will find NO correlation.
 
5.231 4th bullet.  Typo "tailing" should be "failing"
 
5.3  Reword line 4 to: Bodies become tired by...
Reword line 5 to: Bodies become exhausted by...
 
5.41  Add another bullet - Make a recall move
 
6.0 6th para.  After "marches and tactical moves may not be combined"  add "{EX: Charge responses for any body being charged, and retirements for bodies in retreat}"
 
6.121  Item 2.  This makes it impossible for a column to revert to a block greater than one element wide. So a 1X8 column turning 90 has to end up 2 or 3 elements wide per 6.121 sentance two, but can not end up 2 or 3 elements wide per 6.121 item 2.  In your 90 degree example #1 middle diagram we can clearly see that one of the front rank elements was not in the front rank prior to the turn.  You have a paradox here.  Unplayable turn rules.
 
6.13 4th para add "{EX 6.0}" after "known enemy"
 
6.13 approach move example add "known" after "of" and before "enemy".
 
6.163 Somewhere in this para you must discuss prompt priority.  What I mean is, suppose three bodies require promting to charge.  If the CINC (or SubGen) runs out of minutes, which body does not charge? The player must designate the prompted bodies in a priority order they are to recieve their prompts in.  This prevents reacting to an opponents charge declarations in a cheesy manner.  "Uh yea I declared prompted charges on units A, B, and C, but I wanted to do C first"  Make it a rule to write this down!
 
6.163 Canceled charges.  Bullet one.  Please split into 2 bullets.
 
- a charge is declared against it by enemy not already in the path of the charge.
- a charge is declared against it by enemy not moving into the path of the charge.
 
Firstly, the "not" in the second bullet is up for debate.  In the text you have, we can not decide if it an inclusive or an exclusive "not" i.e is the sentance "not or not" or is it "not or".  The insidious Barker practice of huge "or" sentances is at work here.  Bulleted list should minimize (or ELIMINATE!!!) "or" statements.  They create a huge clarity gap.  Newbies will get this wrong 50% of the time.
 
If the above 2 lines do not work for you how about rewording to: A charge is declared against it by enemy not already in and not moving into the path of the charge.
 
Here the change from "or" to "and" makes a significant clarity change. 
 
I am inclined to think the second option is your intent, but we are divided here in FW about what to do in some of these situations.  PLEASE clarify this bullet.
 
Page 34 cancelled charge example.  The way you set this up the Companion HC should be in base contact with the Cretan LI.  The LI is 100p from the LMI and are 60p deep.  You have the HC 160p from the LMI, therefore in base contact with the LI.
 
That is all through page 34.  More to follow.
 
Don

[Don Coon]

> In a message dated 3/21/2001 18:58:32 Central Standard Time,
jendon@...
> writes:
>
> << 4.22 In the para about an opponent suspected of not meeting orders, it
> says to consult a referee if one is available. What if he is not? This
> statement has no place in a rules set for private play. Imagine two guys
> walk into a game store and buy this game. They take it home to play and
are
> confronted with this para. "MOM Jimmy is under attack orders, and he only
> moved 4 of 9 bodies" "MOM I did so move 5". >>
>
> What, Don, you think two guys on this list would act that way??? Perish
the
> thought.

Maybe not two list members, but this product is going to (hopefully) appeal
to a bigger audience than this list. Besides if I lived at home you still
might hear the occasional "MOM - Chris is using testudo again, make him
stop!!!"

Don