Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/1/2004 18:36:00 Central Standard Time,
eforbes100@... writes:
Nothing says that you have be 2HCW and shieldless in the second round. Many
times it is better to only use the 2HCW in the charge, then revert to shielded
sidearm.
This is not possible. 2HCW armed troops do not 'revert' to SA.

Jon


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[Ed Forbes]

Nothing says that you have be 2HCW and shieldless in the second round. Many
times it is better to only use the 2HCW in the charge, then revert to shielded
sidearm. If you count a 1/2 rank of JLS in the back rank, this can work well.

Ed

>The axes are a lot fun to play with
(a lot, and especially when you add in the historical interest the
Varangians generate) but man they die fast from the irreg loose foot
2 FP per CPF, and those unshielded second bounds, even when they are
winning.

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Is this a legal choice - I thought that if you had 2HCW and used it
in the first round you were shieldless in the second round
irrespective of possession of shield

Adrian Williams
Barbarians Wargaming Club,
Sydney, Australia

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, eforbes100@j... wrote:
>
> Nothing says that you have be 2HCW and shieldless in the second
round. Many times it is better to only use the 2HCW in the charge,
then revert to shielded sidearm. If you count a 1/2 rank of JLS in
the back rank, this can work well.
>
> Ed
>
> >The axes are a lot fun to play with
> (a lot, and especially when you add in the historical interest the
> Varangians generate) but man they die fast from the irreg loose
foot
> 2 FP per CPF, and those unshielded second bounds, even when they
are
> winning.
>
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[Larry Essick]

> Nothing says that you have be 2HCW and shieldless in the second
round. Many times it is better to only use the 2HCW in the charge,
then revert to shielded sidearm. If you count a 1/2 rank of JLS in the
back rank, this can work well.

(LE) Pardon my look of confusion. Are you saying that figures
equipped with 2HCW, JLS, Sh can choose to fight 2HCW with the JLS plus
and then revert to JLS, Sh and ignore the 2HCW? Well, technically
that the player can choose this?

(LE) I've always been under the impression that there is no choice.

Larry

[Phil Gardocki]

Jon,
The way your last message went out, it could be confusing. It started
with eforbes statement and cascaded into your reply without clear delineation.
It could be construed as the opposite as you intended.

Phil


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/2/2004 05:48:21 Central Standard Time, PHGamer@...
writes:
Jon,
The way your last message went out, it could be confusing. It started
with eforbes statement and cascaded into your reply without clear
delineation.
It could be construed as the opposite as you intended.

Phil>>

Tell me which one, Phil, and I will fix it.


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/2/2004 06:52:03 Central Standard Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:
(LE) Pardon my look of confusion. Are you saying that figures
equipped with 2HCW, JLS, Sh can choose to fight 2HCW with the JLS plus
and then revert to JLS, Sh and ignore the 2HCW? Well, technically
that the player can choose this?
(LE) I've always been under the impression that there is no choice.

>Jon will weigh in here undoubtedly but trust me, there is *no* choice.

scott>>

I have answered this, but will be happy to do it again. 2HCW do not/can not
'revert' to SA on subsequent bounds.

Jon


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[scott holder]

> Nothing says that you have be 2HCW and shieldless in the second
round. Many times it is better to only use the 2HCW in the charge,
then revert to shielded sidearm. If you count a 1/2 rank of JLS in the
back rank, this can work well.
(LE) Pardon my look of confusion. Are you saying that figures
equipped with 2HCW, JLS, Sh can choose to fight 2HCW with the JLS plus
and then revert to JLS, Sh and ignore the 2HCW? Well, technically
that the player can choose this?
(LE) I've always been under the impression that there is no choice.

>Jon will weigh in here undoubtedly but trust me, there is *no* choice.

scott

[Ed Forbes]

Jon,

please expand on this.

17.1 Troops costs: ..The basic cost of a figure includes side arm and one other
category of distant or close weapon.

I can find nothing in the rules that requires me to use one close weapon over
another, leaving the choice of weapon used in any phase of combat to the player.

Ed


In a message dated 4/1/2004 18:36:00 Central Standard Time,
eforbes100@... writes:
Nothing says that you have be 2HCW and shieldless in the second round. Many
times it is better to only use the 2HCW in the charge, then revert to shielded
sidearm.
This is not possible. 2HCW armed troops do not 'revert' to SA.

Jon



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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/2/2004 11:20:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eforbes100@... writes:

> Jon,
>
> please expand on this.
>
> 17.1 Troops costs: ..The basic cost of a figure includes side arm and one
other category of distant or close weapon.>>

17.0 tells how troosp are costed, not what weapons are employed when in combat.


> I can find nothing in the rules that requires me to use one close weapon over
another, leaving the choice of weapon used
> in any phase of combat to the player.>>

9.3 and 9.4 are the applicable rules. The only reversion from a weapon to SA is
for missile weapons that are not JLS. Every other troop uses the weapon it is
armed with unless speifically stated otherwise by 9.3. Read especially the last
line of 9.3.

J
> Ed

[Ed Forbes]

Jon,

9.3 Eligibility of Weapon Use.

The last line of 9.3 tells me that if, for example, I have LTS in the woods, I
have to use SA as LTS is ineligible. The way it is written does not forbid me to
use SA instead of LTS in the open if for some insane reason I wanted to.

" J. Every other troop uses the weapon it is armed with unless specifically
stated otherwise by 9.3."

All troops are armed with both SA and one other close weapon. SA, as written, is
a valid choice.

If you want to forbid use of SA unless required, this should be stated directly
for clarity. I do not think that it should, but that is your call.



Ed

>9.3 and 9.4 are the applicable rules. The only reversion from a weapon to SA
is for missile weapons that are not JLS. Every other troop uses the weapon it
is armed with unless specifically stated otherwise by 9.3. Read especially the
last line of 9.3.

J




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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eforbes100@... writes:

> 9.3 Eligibility of Weapon Use.
>
> The last line of 9.3 tells me that if, for example, I have LTS in the woods, I
have to use SA as LTS is ineligible.>>

That's right. But nothing makes 2HCW ineligible.


> If you want to forbid use of SA unless required, this should be stated
directly for clarity. >>

I will look at the wording for the new rulebook

J

[scott holder]

Ed: If you ever play out east and have 2HCW, you'll be required to use them.
No swapping them for the paring knife in your belt:):)

-----Original Message-----
From: JonCleaves@... [mailto:JonCleaves@...]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:54 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] 2HCW


In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eforbes100@... writes:

> 9.3 Eligibility of Weapon Use.
>
> The last line of 9.3 tells me that if, for example, I have LTS in the woods, I
have to use SA as LTS is ineligible.>>

That's right. But nothing makes 2HCW ineligible.


> If you want to forbid use of SA unless required, this should be stated
directly for clarity. >>

I will look at the wording for the new rulebook

J





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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eforbes100@... writes:

> 9.3 Eligibility of Weapon Use.
>
> The last line of 9.3 tells me that if, for example, I have LTS in the woods, I
have to use SA as LTS is ineligible.>>

That's right. But nothing makes 2HCW ineligible.


> If you want to forbid use of SA unless required, this should be stated
directly for clarity. >>

I will look at the wording for the new rulebook

J

Dare I say it....perhaps a list rule for those that might reasonably
be expected to change weapons?
Just an idea.
Wanax


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eforbes100@j... writes:
>
> > 9.3 Eligibility of Weapon Use.
> >
> > The last line of 9.3 tells me that if, for example, I have LTS in
the woods, I have to use SA as LTS is ineligible.>>
>
> That's right. But nothing makes 2HCW ineligible.
>
>
> > If you want to forbid use of SA unless required, this should be
stated directly for clarity. >>
>
> I will look at the wording for the new rulebook
>
> J