Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

First, thanks Jon for the rout stoppers refresher. I knew there was a catch in
my plan :)

However, at lunch I just had an wild and evil thought: What if my Norman army
had 3 units of 4E pesants forced marched in the center of my battleline?

Theory: Run the army as before but with no MI B and the 3 peasant blocks.
Place LI and pesants last, forced marched hopefully, with LI on flanks or in
places to intercept enemy LI. Force the enemy to go through the pesant units,
then ram the IrrA HC into the flanks of the persuers. No one cares if the
pesants rout, they can stand moderate casualties for about 2 bounds. Each block
costs 25+9 or 34pt, so whatever is attacking and routing them will be worth
more, and if the HC can rout them from the shieldless side, then they force many
wavers (hopefully).

Any thoughts?
Wanax


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[Tim Brown]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, <spocksleftball@y...> wrote:
Force the enemy to go through the pesant units, then ram the IrrA HC
into the flanks of the persuers. No one cares if the pesants rout,
they can stand moderate casualties for about 2 bounds. Each block
costs 25+9 or 34pt, so whatever is attacking and routing them will be
worth more, and if the HC can rout them from the shieldless side,
then they force many wavers (hopefully).
>

Nice idea - hard to execute. First , the HC attacking the flank are
going to have a hard time doubling the casualties given out by the
unit beating up on the router, which is necessary to cause the break.
It'll take two turns normally, more than enough time for an opponent
to charge the HC in its flank in turn. Damour ( that name again) used
this tactic for many years via 2E huscarls / spanish gents. The real
trick is to somehow screen the future exposed flank of the HC from
follow on attacks. Chris used to wait until the routing unit passed
by, then expand the units next to it, 'shielding' the unit preparing
to attack. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Everything has
to be positioned just right for this to work. Might be easier to
easier to gang up and charge through the routers and replace in
combat, taking the disorder. I forget which factors the pursuer gets -
I believe only the plus 1 ,and if indeed if that's a legal
interpenetration, but I think I'm right. The real danger is if your
opponent knows what you're trying to do and sets up follow on attacks
to really take advantage - in tight situations those shoulder
screening units could find themselves disordered by virtue of simply
not having the 40 paces to recoil. And depending on the situation -
the burst through effects of irregulars on same should it go really
bad.

I did some math and you are right. The problem is the pesant units are too
large. Rather, I'll use 2E pesant units at 31pt each, that's 4x as many command
points as troop cost! The theory is the pesant will explode rather than rout.

Yes, I had entended to run the HC in enchelon to avoid retaliation. Hadn't
thought of closing the door with the closer order foot, so I may try this as
well. I have learned from the mighty Derekus every time we play that I have to
maintain some HC to intercept his counterpunch.
Wanax

browntj007 <browntj007@...> wrote:
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, <spocksleftball@y...> wrote:
Force the enemy to go through the pesant units, then ram the IrrA HC
into the flanks of the persuers. No one cares if the pesants rout,
they can stand moderate casualties for about 2 bounds. Each block
costs 25+9 or 34pt, so whatever is attacking and routing them will be
worth more, and if the HC can rout them from the shieldless side,
then they force many wavers (hopefully).
>

Nice idea - hard to execute. First , the HC attacking the flank are
going to have a hard time doubling the casualties given out by the
unit beating up on the router, which is necessary to cause the break.
It'll take two turns normally, more than enough time for an opponent
to charge the HC in its flank in turn. Damour ( that name again) used
this tactic for many years via 2E huscarls / spanish gents. The real
trick is to somehow screen the future exposed flank of the HC from
follow on attacks. Chris used to wait until the routing unit passed
by, then expand the units next to it, 'shielding' the unit preparing
to attack. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Everything has
to be positioned just right for this to work. Might be easier to
easier to gang up and charge through the routers and replace in
combat, taking the disorder. I forget which factors the pursuer gets -
I believe only the plus 1 ,and if indeed if that's a legal
interpenetration, but I think I'm right. The real danger is if your
opponent knows what you're trying to do and sets up follow on attacks
to really take advantage - in tight situations those shoulder
screening units could find themselves disordered by virtue of simply
not having the 40 paces to recoil. And depending on the situation -
the burst through effects of irregulars on same should it go really
bad.


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