Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

I'll leave the list response to Scott, but I will be happy to handle the rules
question.

A mob of irregular troops has the potential to charge harder than regulars
(barring a list rule like we are contemplating for the swiss). That is our
view.

The A factor is going to make the target of your theoretical charge more likely
to stand and stick it out than other morale grades. It is also less like to
suffer from the vagaries of chance than others.

The D factor troops might just have to take a very risky test just to charge in
the first place, will suffer from bad luck, and will be easier to stop from
being impetuous than higher morale grades.

If you are an A unit and you let a D unit get in a position to charge
impetuously unprompted without making it uneasy or tired, you accept the risk
that they just might not see themselves as inferior as they crash into your
lines. :)

Bottom line: rule is not broken in this area. List rules being considered for
some exceptional regular troop types.

Jon

[Dave Smith]

Getting ready to make a sizeable investment in lead, and would like
to ask for some help and guidance pertaining to a couple of army
lists. I can't determine if there will be any major, or minor, or
perhaps no changes with the FHE Warrior army lists as compared to the
assortment that is available now. I would like to purchase some
Nikephorian or Maurikian Byzantine figures, but I may be disuaded if
those lists are substantially different, watered down, or rendered
non-competitive. I understand we will be getting lists in future
publications, but is there any way to glean some information prior to
the release so that I can make some decisions?

Also, I am getting ready to rebase my Germans, and wanted to know if
there would be an option to make part of them LMI (similar to the way
other rules sets view the Early Germans). If I know this now, it
will save me from rebasing when Roman Warrior or Classical Warrior
comes out.

Also, a rules query, or maybe a request, that will allow me to
understand the concept behind the CRT of an Irregular D vs. a Regular
A troop type. Assuming both are armed and equipped the same way, the
ability of the Irreg. D to go Impetuous, appears to give it an
advantage of +2 over the Regular A, subsequently creating an unusual
outcome (at least for me). With the point disparity between an
Irreg. D and a Regular A, could there not be some consideration to
allow a Regular A foot to go impetuous, or at least offer some
protection against what appears to be an advantage for an inferior
troop type.

Thanks in advance for your help. I'm looking forward to receiving my
copy of Warrior.

Dave

[scott holder]

I can't determine if there will be any major, or minor, or
perhaps no changes with the FHE Warrior army lists as compared to the
assortment that is available now. I would like to purchase some
Nikephorian or Maurikian Byzantine figures, but I may be disuaded if
those lists are substantially different, watered down, or rendered
non-competitive. I understand we will be getting lists in future
publications, but is there any way to glean some information prior to
the release so that I can make some decisions?

>Not really. Well, up to a point. In most cases, I'm not radically changing
anything but in some cases, there will be significant tinkering around the
edges. The Maurikian list is done in draft form, the Nike Byzantine won't be
done in draft form for at least 3 months. I can say that the latter will be
based on Paul Georgian's Spearpoint Nike Byz list. I'd suggest you simply buy
the core lead and hang on. Maurikians will be out by Cold Wars.

Also, I am getting ready to rebase my Germans, and wanted to know if
there would be an option to make part of them LMI (similar to the way
other rules sets view the Early Germans). If I know this now, it
will save me from rebasing when Roman Warrior or Classical Warrior
comes out.

>Again, can't say. Unless there is some compelling evidence for LMI Germans,
don't count on there being any. Classical Warrior will not be out until 2003.

Scott
List Ho

[Dave Smith]

Thanks Jon.

Dave

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> I'll leave the list response to Scott, but I will be happy to
handle the rules question.
>
> A mob of irregular troops has the potential to charge harder than
regulars (barring a list rule like we are contemplating for the
swiss). That is our view.
>
> The A factor is going to make the target of your theoretical charge
more likely to stand and stick it out than other morale grades. It
is also less like to suffer from the vagaries of chance than others.
>
> The D factor troops might just have to take a very risky test just
to charge in the first place, will suffer from bad luck, and will be
easier to stop from being impetuous than higher morale grades.
>
> If you are an A unit and you let a D unit get in a position to
charge impetuously unprompted without making it uneasy or tired, you
accept the risk that they just might not see themselves as inferior
as they crash into your lines.
>
> Bottom line: rule is not broken in this area. List rules being
considered for some exceptional regular troop types.
>
> Jon

[Dave Smith]

Thanks Scott.

Dave


--- In WarriorRules@y..., "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@f...>
wrote:
> I can't determine if there will be any major, or minor, or
> perhaps no changes with the FHE Warrior army lists as compared to
the
> assortment that is available now. I would like to purchase some
> Nikephorian or Maurikian Byzantine figures, but I may be disuaded
if
> those lists are substantially different, watered down, or rendered
> non-competitive. I understand we will be getting lists in future
> publications, but is there any way to glean some information prior
to
> the release so that I can make some decisions?
>
> >Not really. Well, up to a point. In most cases, I'm not
radically changing
> anything but in some cases, there will be significant tinkering
around the
> edges. The Maurikian list is done in draft form, the Nike
Byzantine won't be
> done in draft form for at least 3 months. I can say that the
latter will be
> based on Paul Georgian's Spearpoint Nike Byz list. I'd suggest you
simply buy
> the core lead and hang on. Maurikians will be out by Cold Wars.
>
> Also, I am getting ready to rebase my Germans, and wanted to know
if
> there would be an option to make part of them LMI (similar to the
way
> other rules sets view the Early Germans). If I know this now, it
> will save me from rebasing when Roman Warrior or Classical Warrior
> comes out.
>
> >Again, can't say. Unless there is some compelling evidence for
LMI Germans,
> don't count on there being any. Classical Warrior will not be out
until 2003.
>
> Scott
> List Ho

[Don Coon]

Assuming both are armed and equipped the same way, the
> ability of the Irreg. D to go Impetuous, appears to give it an
> advantage of +2 over the Regular A, subsequently creating an unusual
> outcome (at least for me).

Remember that D class troops reduce a net positive die roll by 1, which will
affect the combat, albeit in a small way.

Don

[joncleaves]

Hey, if there is to be a Warrior hall of fame, it sure won't be in
Leavenworth.....

[Greg Regets]

"D" class troops will also need to be under attack orders, in most instances, in order to pull off this charge without testing waver. The player with the Regular A should know this and plan his tactics accordingly.
There is little doubt that in a "line 'em up and charge" situation, the Irregulars will more often than not have a nice first bound advantage. What the original rules writer was looking for was a situation where the Irregular barbarian mob charges home with bad intent in the first bound, the idea being to sweep the field of the Regulars. Failing that, the accumulated fatigue will turn the title in favor of the Regulars.
The trick of course is for the Regular troops not to cooperate with this strategy, but rather use a rather considerable maneuver advantage, and in most cases a higher unit count, to set up more favorable battlefield conditions for combat.
As far as Byzantines go, if Paul Georgians list is to be the basic model for Byzantine army composition, I would advise you to go out and buy that lead. Mr. Georgians list is very well balanced and very combat effective.
Thank you .... Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: DONALD COON [mailto:jjendon@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] A little help...



 Assuming both are armed and equipped the same way, the
> ability of the Irreg. D to go Impetuous, appears to give it an
> advantage of +2 over the Regular A, subsequently creating an unusual
> outcome (at least for me).

Remember that D class troops reduce a net positive die roll by 1, which will
affect the combat, albeit in a small way.

Don


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[Dave Smith]

Greg;

Thanks very much for the explanation and advice. All I really want
is to be the Warrior National Champion and have my bust put in the
Warrior Hall of Fame in Leavenworth, Kansas.

Dave


--- In WarriorRules@y..., Greg Regets <greg@p...> wrote:
> "D" class troops will also need to be under attack orders, in most
> instances, in order to pull off this charge without testing waver.
The
> player with the Regular A should know this and plan his tactics
accordingly.
>
> There is little doubt that in a "line 'em up and charge" situation,
the
> Irregulars will more often than not have a nice first bound
advantage. What
> the original rules writer was looking for was a situation where the
> Irregular barbarian mob charges home with bad intent in the first
bound, the
> idea being to sweep the field of the Regulars. Failing that, the
accumulated
> fatigue will turn the title in favor of the Regulars.
>
> The trick of course is for the Regular troops not to cooperate with
this
> strategy, but rather use a rather considerable maneuver advantage,
and in
> most cases a higher unit count, to set up more favorable battlefield
> conditions for combat.
>
> As far as Byzantines go, if Paul Georgians list is to be the basic
model for
> Byzantine army composition, I would advise you to go out and buy
that lead.
> Mr. Georgians list is very well balanced and very combat effective.
>
> Thank you .... Greg
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DONALD COON [mailto:jjendon@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 PM
> To: WarriorRules@y...
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] A little help...
>
>
>
> Assuming both are armed and equipped the same way, the
> > ability of the Irreg. D to go Impetuous, appears to give it an
> > advantage of +2 over the Regular A, subsequently creating an
unusual
> > outcome (at least for me).
>
> Remember that D class troops reduce a net positive die roll by 1,
which will
> affect the combat, albeit in a small way.
>
> Don
>
>
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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 10/25/2001 11:04:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jwilkinson62@... writes:

<< What if the troops are that run of the mill Irregular
"C" variety? Why would they be able to hit harder than
the best of the best? Shouldn't Regular "A"s be given
the same opportunity to slaughter inferior foes that
is given to Irregular"A"s? It just seems to stand to
reason that the best troops in the Warrior system
shouldn't just have to hang or stick around in a
battle over inferior trained and morale troops. This
somehow feels wrong. . .

Kelly
>>
Kelly,

This battle has been fought and lost. No one has come up with a really
viable solution and the rules ho, supported by the list ho have decided this
aspect to be unbroken. Rule of thumb therfore applies........Not broken, not
fixed. Many feel this to be an error or lacking in historical flavor, but it
is what it is. All rules have their idiosyncrasies and we then have the
option to play with them or not. Se' La Vive.

Chris

[joncleaves]

You are correct. I don't have a problem with the regular/irregular interaction
from either an historical standpoint or a mechanical one, with the exception of
a couple of troop types we plan to address with list rules.

But, there's nothing to say one cannot propose an experimental rule. That would
be far, far more likely to attract serious FHE attention than simply saying "I
don't like X situation.."

[Kelly Wilkinson]

> Also, I am getting ready to rebase my Germans, and
> wanted to know if
> there would be an option to make part of them LMI
> (similar to the way
> other rules sets view the Early Germans). If I know
> this now, it
> will save me from rebasing when Roman Warrior or
> Classical Warrior
> comes out.
>
> >Again, can't say. Unless there is some compelling
> evidence for LMI Germans,
> don't count on there being any. Classical Warrior
> will not be out until 2003.
>
> Scott
> List Ho

Scott, I happen to have seen the draft copy of the
Fast Warrior Lists and the early Germans are allowed
in that particular list to be either LMI or MI. Since
these lists were most likely put together by you or
done under your supervision, I was wondering if this
option will be open. Further, since this in a rather
generic list, will it be broken down into tribal
armies much like is done in the book of hosts for many
of the Celts?

Kelly Wilkinson

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

What if the troops are that run of the mill Iregular
"C" variety? Why would they be able to hit harder than
the best of the best? Shouldn't Regular "A"s be given
the same opportunity to slaughter inferior foes that
is given to Irregular"A"s? It just seems to stand to
reason that the best troops in the Warrior system
shouldn't just have to hang or stick around in a
battle over inferior trained and morale troops. This
somehow feels wrong. . .

Kelly



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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Good point Chris, But..... what about an X rule to
answer this?

Kelly

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> Good point Chris, But..... what about an X rule to
> answer this?
>
> Kelly


I am hopefull that Warrior will have less rules then 7th when I see the
final product. A ton of rules, makes for an unhistorical game imho. I play
DBM mostly or try to at least looking at my record so far 0-6 in
competition, that being said I prefer 7th, warrior because there is greater
differences between troop types/armies. I am very excited to get a copy.

Brad