Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 12:50:59PM -0000, Wanax Andron wrote:
> I'll leave most of your query to the FHE. I will say that for your
> first figs, I'd pick two historical opponants that interest you. You
> can do this fairly cheep in 15mm.
<snip>

Heh, yeah - I'm gonna bail on that lame idea of mine in trying to use the
9mm warmaster minis...

Feudal English, Viking, Irish/Norse are what immediately comes to mind,
unfortunately - since I'm no history buff by any epic stretch of the
imagination - it's a bit difficult to decide.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 08:47:10AM -0500, Scott & Tracie McCoppin wrote:
<snip>
> Wargames has 15mm ready-made Fast Warrior packs for sale. All you do is
> buy, mount and paint ? all figs for the army is included. It?s a great way
> to get the core started for any army that might interest you, and last time
> I checked made for a pretty good deal.
>
> Their address is: www.speartorifle.com <http://www.speartorifle.com/>
>

This is extremely helpful! I'm definitely going to buy my initial two
armies there!


On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 07:54:10AM -0600, Holder, Scott wrote:
<snip>
> I agree with Boyd that you should pick an army (or period) that really appeals
> to you and purchase that army and 1-2 enemies. This is a great way to play
> something (like Biblical) without much outlay while learning the game.
>

Ok, after flipping around the FW lists and some googling, here's my first
attempt at choosing two armies - I'd love to get suggestions/opinions from
anyone. Which of these matchups might be more suitable for first time
players? Which would be more fun initialy? How about balance? ( I'd like this
matchup to be fairly even, with ideally plenty of variance in tactics, so
that things don't get too static feeling while we're learning. )


anglo-norman (196) vs norman conquest welsh (145)

or

viking (139) vs norse-irish (146)

or

late welsh (199) vs feudal english (201)


Thanks for the help everyone!


Cheers,

Corey

[Greg Regets]

Good Afternoon Corey ...

My advice to you would be to pick an army that has some sort of the
following stuff;

Heavy Horse
Light Horse
Heavy, Combat Foot
Terrain Troops (LHI/LMI)
Light Foot

Consider buying some irregulars and some regulars.

My reason, is that you will get a good feel for how all the basic
backbone type troops will work, and better still, work together. By
taking both irregulars and regulars, you can see the various
advantages of each.

These armies have a tough learning curve to master, but if you get
proficient with it, you can feel confident that you have a nice
understanding of the game.

If you would like some advice offline, please feel free to email.

Greg
greg.regets@...



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, corey_s@c... wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 12:50:59PM -0000, Wanax Andron wrote:
> > I'll leave most of your query to the FHE. I will say that for
your
> > first figs, I'd pick two historical opponants that interest you.
You
> > can do this fairly cheep in 15mm.
> <snip>
>
> Heh, yeah - I'm gonna bail on that lame idea of mine in trying to
use the
> 9mm warmaster minis...
>
> Feudal English, Viking, Irish/Norse are what immediately comes to
mind,
> unfortunately - since I'm no history buff by any epic stretch of
the
> imagination - it's a bit difficult to decide.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 08:47:10AM -0500, Scott & Tracie McCoppin
wrote:
> <snip>
> > Wargames has 15mm ready-made Fast Warrior packs for sale. All
you do is
> > buy, mount and paint ? all figs for the army is included. It?s a
great way
> > to get the core started for any army that might interest you, and
last time
> > I checked made for a pretty good deal.
> >
> > Their address is: www.speartorifle.com
<http://www.speartorifle.com/>
> >
>
> This is extremely helpful! I'm definitely going to buy my
initial two
> armies there!
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 07:54:10AM -0600, Holder, Scott wrote:
> <snip>
> > I agree with Boyd that you should pick an army (or period) that
really appeals
> > to you and purchase that army and 1-2 enemies. This is a great
way to play
> > something (like Biblical) without much outlay while learning the
game.
> >
>
> Ok, after flipping around the FW lists and some googling, here's my
first
> attempt at choosing two armies - I'd love to get
suggestions/opinions from
> anyone. Which of these matchups might be more suitable for first
time
> players? Which would be more fun initialy? How about balance? ( I'd
like this
> matchup to be fairly even, with ideally plenty of variance in
tactics, so
> that things don't get too static feeling while we're learning. )
>
>
> anglo-norman (196) vs norman conquest welsh (145)
>
> or
>
> viking (139) vs norse-irish (146)
>
> or
>
> late welsh (199) vs feudal english (201)
>
>
> Thanks for the help everyone!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Corey

Ok - well, after much perusal of the FW lists, I've decided to go with Norman
Conquest Welsh vs. Anglo-Norman for the intitial armies that I learn to play
Warrior with. It was difficult to find two armies that contained a selection
of the units Greg suggested, so I went with the closest I could find that also
seemed interesting to me.

I'm gonna order the FW pack mini's from http://www.speartorifle.com/, as Scott
McCoppin suggested - thanks!

It'll cost me about $100 for both:
http://www.speartorifle.com/~wargames/essex/15warriorfastplay.html

Anyone have any idea as to the quality of these? They're Essex 15mm.


Beers!


On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:27:13PM -0000, Greg Regets wrote:
> Good Afternoon Corey ...
>
> My advice to you would be to pick an army that has some sort of the
> following stuff;
>
> Heavy Horse
> Light Horse
> Heavy, Combat Foot
> Terrain Troops (LHI/LMI)
> Light Foot
>
> Consider buying some irregulars and some regulars.
>
> My reason, is that you will get a good feel for how all the basic
> backbone type troops will work, and better still, work together. By
> taking both irregulars and regulars, you can see the various
> advantages of each.
>
> These armies have a tough learning curve to master, but if you get
> proficient with it, you can feel confident that you have a nice
> understanding of the game.
>
> If you would like some advice offline, please feel free to email.
>

Actualy - just a quick followup, before I go and make the final decision and
purchase:

If you could suggest the "perfect" two armies to use as means to learn Warrior -
what would they be?

They need to be Opponents, from the FW list, preferably "fun", or "interesting",
and even better if there's lots of info available on them and/or a particular
period/campaign that I could use for research and a general setting/backdrop
during play. Remember, I'll be painting both armies... (sheesh) - and I
currently have extremely limited knowledge concerning historical warfare ( and
history in general! <grin> ); I have a tendency to prefer dark ages and feudal.

Thanks for any help or insight/suggestions you can provide!


On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 11:16:01AM +0000, corey_s@... wrote:
> Ok - well, after much perusal of the FW lists, I've decided to go with Norman
> Conquest Welsh vs. Anglo-Norman for the intitial armies that I learn to play
> Warrior with. It was difficult to find two armies that contained a selection
> of the units Greg suggested, so I went with the closest I could find that also
> seemed interesting to me.
>
> I'm gonna order the FW pack mini's from http://www.speartorifle.com/, as Scott
> McCoppin suggested - thanks!
>
> It'll cost me about $100 for both:
> http://www.speartorifle.com/~wargames/essex/15warriorfastplay.html
>
> Anyone have any idea as to the quality of these? They're Essex 15mm.
>
>
> Beers!
>

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/22/2004 6:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, corey_s@...
writes:

> Anyone have any idea as to the quality of these? They're
> Essex 15mm.>>

Corey, I can only speak for myself, but when working on a 15mm ancients army, I
always start with Essex and have several Essex armies. There are other
manufacturers with niche lines who make better figs in that line, but I like
Essex for overall quality in 15mm.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/22/2004 6:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, corey_s@...
writes:

> If you could suggest the "perfect" two armies to use as
> means to learn Warrior -
> what would they be?>>

Well, I certainly make no claims to perfect whatsoever. But when we went
through all the historical pairs to decide which two armies would be included
(in cardboard color elements that could be used immediately upon purchase) with
Warrior Battles, we settled on Early Imperial Roman and Early German.

One's regular and one is irreg.
They are the armies from 'Gladiator'
The Fast Warrior versions do not include any 'funny stuff' (chariots, elephants,
artillery, camels).

It isn't a perfect choice (no archers, no LC...) but it was the best of the 30
'well-known' pairs we looked at.