Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

I have posted this to both WarriorRules and NASAMWList. I *don't* want this
getting into 'NASAMW politics' but I think this idea might solve a bunch of
problems at once. Let's debate the idea as a Warrior event, and at the end
we will take it over to the EC and see what they think.


For your debate!


The World Class Western Warrior Championship
15mm Singles
Warrior 14.0 Standard Competition
6’x4’ Tables, 3 x 4-hour rounds.
One FHE Army List
Date: MLK Weekend, January 2005. Annual after that.
Location:
To start: San Antonio or DFW Texas, if one of those groups volunteers to
host
If not: Kansas City
After the initial event: TBD by the team winners of the previous event, but
must be in a city
on or west of the Mississippi river.
Prizes: 1st Place Individual, 1st Place Team, Best Painted Army,
Best Camp, Best Sportsman, Best Rookie (highest placing player who has not
scored above the halfway mark in a Warrior tourney).
Possibly other prizes from NASAMW, Clubs, Individuals.
Team Cup: Four-player teams may enter to compete for the team cup. The
winner will be the team with the highest three combined scores. Three-player
teams may enter but obviously may not discard their lowest score. Winning team
takes home team cup and hosts next event.
Tiebreakers: Opponent’s scores.
TBD: Neutral Umpire, $ for prizes/sponsorship.
jon



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[joncleaves]

Some background on this proposal, since some is apprently needed... I would
like to have this mail included by my RC in any EC debate of this proposal
in the future - but that is a ways off as we haven't even sorted out details.
It might be something done entirely without NASAMW involvement, but I find
it hard to imagine the membership would object... we'll see..

The SA guys are looking for a 15mm Warrior Championship. Everyone thinks
that is a good idea.

The DFW guys and KC guys have been looking for a way to play together in a
Warrior tourney on a regular basis as the cons in those areas are on fairly
exclusive dates.

A team cup is fun, having done one in Colorado many moons ago, and it helps
with determining where it will be and who will travel in a fun and competitive
manner - and it helps the cup mean a lot to the winners. Greg Regets from
SA also indicated he and some of his friends had played in a team cup event
and liked the idea.

Keeping it West of the Miss. helps those players who cannot get to the
events that take place in CA and the East.

The number of rounds, prizes, etc was all just to have something to start
debating with.

Ok, so let's hear from everyone what they think of such an idea...

Jon






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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/17/2004 21:19:16 Central Daylight Time,
larryessick@... writes:

However, for NASAMW to consider such an event is improper until the
EC has had a complete explanation for Harlan's resignation and made a
decision on how to proceed with the proposal to sponsor a 15mm NASAMW
championship event.



The above is NASAMW politics. The crew here can discuss this proposal or
not as it is not yet something we are bringing before the EC - right now it is
just another Warrior tourney. If you post like the above again, however, you
will be banned. This is your first and only public warning.

Jon, evil moderator


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[Larry Essick]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> I have posted this to both WarriorRules and NASAMWList. I *don't*
want this
> getting into 'NASAMW politics' but I think this idea might solve a
bunch of
> problems at once. Let's debate the idea as a Warrior event, and
at the end
> we will take it over to the EC and see what they think.
>

Jon moderates this list and knows full well that his posting cannot
help but become, in part, a 'NASAMW politics' debate.

There was a proposal for a NASAMW sponsored 15mm Warrior championship
presented to the EC by Harlan Garrett. The status of that proposal
is in some question because Harlan, for reasons as yet unknown,
decided to resign from NASAMW.

Jon's proposal is a solution to a problem that does not yet exist.
The EC of NASAMW has yet to learn the reason for Harlan's resignation
and has not even discussed whether to pursue his proposal further.

IMO, Jon is entirely premature in his proposal.

That is not to say that FHE cannot organize and conduct an event of
this nature. It certainly can do so.

However, for NASAMW to consider such an event is improper until the
EC has had a complete explanation for Harlan's resignation and made a
decision on how to proceed with the proposal to sponsor a 15mm NASAMW
championship event.

Larry

[Larry Essick]

Jon,

Is it forbidden to use NASAMW on this board? Will you ban yourself
then?

The proposal is ill timed and inappropriate. The reasons it is ill
timed and inappropriate all relate to issues you won't allow to be
discussed here.

It is a pretty poor moderator who makes such controversial proposals
and then prohibits free discussion.

Larry

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/18/2004 01:51:16 Central Daylight Time,
larryessick@... writes:

Is it forbidden to use NASAMW on this board? >>

The acronym? No.

The proposal is ill timed and inappropriate. >>
We have been discussing a western team championship for some time, actually.
It is not related directly to 'other stuff', but it did seem a possibility
that it would satisfy 'other stuff'.

The reasons it is ill
timed and inappropriate all relate to issues you won't allow to be
discussed here.>>
Then take those to NASAMWList. Everyone here who cares enough is also a
member there.

J


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[Greg Regets]

I think this is a great solution!

All we ever wanted was to have some sort of nice, large scale 15mm
event down here in the south or midwest. Wanting to give it some big
fancy sounding name was a marketing ploy intended to give the thing a
little initial lift. I'm not really sure why there was so much
opposition/roadblocks, to this idea from NASAMW.

I have three suggestions.

1. Have this thing every year in the bye week between the NFC/AFC
Championship game and the Superbowl.

2. It needs to be more than a one day event, and there needs to be a
playoff. Travelling in the middle of the winter to play three games
is not a winning idea. If we are not going to have a playoff, just
make it a team game and remove the individual champion.

3. Two army lists.

Thanks ... g

[joncleaves]

I have three suggestions.

1. Have this thing every year in the bye week between the NFC/AFC
Championship game and the Superbowl.>>

I'd have to take a look and see when that is. It is is much easier to do things
like this on a holiday weekend, *especially* if we want to play two days, which
is an idea I would support.

<<2. It needs to be more than a one day event, and there needs to be a
playoff. Travelling in the middle of the winter to play three games
is not a winning idea. If we are not going to have a playoff, just
make it a team game and remove the individual champion.>>

For my part, I would support more games and two days. Just have to find the
right weekend.

<<3. Two army lists.>>

I think we might look at taking a poll of likely attendees when we get further
along and after that the hosting team decides.

Thoughts?

J

<2. It needs to be more than a one day event, and there needs to be a
> playoff. Travelling in the middle of the winter to play three games
> is not a winning idea. If we are not going to have a playoff, just
> make it a team game and remove the individual champion.>>

I like both an individual Champion and Team. While I would want to
compete on a team, some people may find themselves attending at the
last moment and not have a team. This also allows very competitive
people the option of teaming up with buddies for fun and still being
able to be recognized as the best from Texas, Missouri, Kansas, and
whoever else should show up... from West of the Mississipi of course.
The individual could maybe just be recognized. The Cup would be for
the Team though.

Two days, 24 hours of play, team members rotate in and out of rounds
so they can take a break and check out how their partners are doing.
Yeah, I would travel to Texas for such! Iron Man Warrior!

<3. Two army lists.>>

With Team play, why would multiple lists be needed? One member could
bring the El, one the SHK, one the B, and one the... Shielded Catalan
dudes...

[Ewan McNay]

Chris Campbell wrote:

> <2. It needs to be more than a one day event, and there needs to be a
>
>>playoff. Travelling in the middle of the winter to play three games
>>is not a winning idea. If we are not going to have a playoff, just
>>make it a team game and remove the individual champion.>>
>
>
> I like both an individual Champion and Team. While I would want to
> compete on a team, some people may find themselves attending at the
> last moment and not have a team. This also allows very competitive
> people the option of teaming up with buddies for fun and still being
> able to be recognized as the best from Texas, Missouri, Kansas, and
> whoever else should show up... from West of the Mississipi of course.
> The individual could maybe just be recognized. The Cup would be for
> the Team though.
>
> Two days, 24 hours of play, team members rotate in and out of rounds
> so they can take a break and check out how their partners are doing.
> Yeah, I would travel to Texas for such! Iron Man Warrior!

As advocated by me here several times . Not sure that even that
would get me to Texas, though...

> <3. Two army lists.>>
>
> With Team play, why would multiple lists be needed? One member could
> bring the El, one the SHK, one the B, and one the... Shielded Catalan
> dudes...

:-) That would be an awesome concept. Take 3 1600 point armies.
Before each round, while the 1000-point core has to remain with the
originating army, the remaining 1800 points of troops can go to any of
the three players.

[Actually, we - as in Milton Keynes, at the much-lamented Triathlon -
have done this, too. One of the years my team won, we took something
like Early Bulgar in one of the (very restricted) periods, and it
never got more than 1000 points, just ran around all day evading. All
of the Slavs went over as allies to one of the other armies, depending
on the opponent. Fun. I *think* that we mixed scales, too, because I
have visions of those Bulgars being in 6mm or something, but it was a
long time ago!]

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Jon,

I think it is a super idea. I support you.

kelly

JonCleaves@... wrote:
Some background on this proposal, since some is apprently needed... I would
like to have this mail included by my RC in any EC debate of this proposal
in the future - but that is a ways off as we haven't even sorted out details.
It might be something done entirely without NASAMW involvement, but I find
it hard to imagine the membership would object... we'll see..

The SA guys are looking for a 15mm Warrior Championship. Everyone thinks
that is a good idea.

The DFW guys and KC guys have been looking for a way to play together in a
Warrior tourney on a regular basis as the cons in those areas are on fairly
exclusive dates.

A team cup is fun, having done one in Colorado many moons ago, and it helps
with determining where it will be and who will travel in a fun and competitive
manner - and it helps the cup mean a lot to the winners. Greg Regets from
SA also indicated he and some of his friends had played in a team cup event
and liked the idea.

Keeping it West of the Miss. helps those players who cannot get to the
events that take place in CA and the East.

The number of rounds, prizes, etc was all just to have something to start
debating with.

Ok, so let's hear from everyone what they think of such an idea...

Jon






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[Jeff Zorn]

Howdy,

For most/all of us DBM players I don't believe there was any opposition;
after all we have a 15mm NICT . Oops, drat, there's that dreaded NASAMW
politics raising it's head here.

Jeff Zorn

At 01:02 PM 8/18/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> I'm not really sure why there was so much
>opposition/roadblocks, to this idea from NASAMW.


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[Larry Essick]

The idea, per se, is not bad. It is more properly thought of as a way to build
regional and inter-regional competition, however.

It really just mirrors the successful region building practices found in DBM in
the Gulf South and also, now, in the upper mid-west, mid-america, and Ohio
valley regions (where a 3 region circuit has been established).

In this context Jon's proposal is a great idea and one that should be emulated
by other regions. Building a sense of local pride and taking that to other
areas in competition is, generally speaking, good for the hobby.

Larry

[John Garlic]

Sounds cool to me. I don't usually get MLK day off, but would try to make
it.

John Garlic

> Some background on this proposal, since some is apprently needed... I
> would
> like to have this mail included by my RC in any EC debate of this proposal
> in the future - but that is a ways off as we haven't even sorted out
> details.
> It might be something done entirely without NASAMW involvement, but I find
> it hard to imagine the membership would object... we'll see..
>
> The SA guys are looking for a 15mm Warrior Championship. Everyone thinks
> that is a good idea.
>
> The DFW guys and KC guys have been looking for a way to play together in a
> Warrior tourney on a regular basis as the cons in those areas are on fairly
>
> exclusive dates.
>
> A team cup is fun, having done one in Colorado many moons ago, and it helps
>
> with determining where it will be and who will travel in a fun and
> competitive
> manner - and it helps the cup mean a lot to the winners. Greg Regets from
> SA also indicated he and some of his friends had played in a team cup event
> and liked the idea.
>
> Keeping it West of the Miss. helps those players who cannot get to the
> events that take place in CA and the East.
>
> The number of rounds, prizes, etc was all just to have something to start
> debating with.
>
> Ok, so let's hear from everyone what they think of such an idea...
>
>



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[Charles Yaw]

I am very interested in this tournament. I have a couple of comments below.

> 1. Have this thing every year in the bye week between the NFC/AFC
> Championship game and the Superbowl.

I think MLK weekend is the ideal time for us to travel to a multi day event.
Many of us may have difficulty taking off work to travel this time of year.
Having a 3 day weekend helps.
>
> 3. Two army lists.

I like 1 list. Bring them and play them.

Charles
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