Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

> And Jon, just so you know, the B/j/sh armed HI are
> awsome in orb :)

Really? Hmmm. Just how many figures are you counting for shooting in any
one direction? I sure hope it is 4.... :)

>
> FW has what 25mm needs. A quick, small scale game.
> It also means that stingy bastards like me can have
> about 10 different armies for under $1000. So I again
> implore the FHE to pursue FW with the majority of your
> marketing time/money.

Ah, the light of Fast Warrior touches Boyd. You do realize of course that
even the majority of our marketing time/money is still zero.... lol
But we are well aware of FW's charms, which is why Scott and I invented it.
We will get manufacturers selling FW armies, but that does NOT happen
overnight, even at Silver Eagle.
The best thing you guys can do is to hound your favorite fig manufacturers
with requests and ask why they are not supporting this cool new rules set
better.

And you can always submit alternate FW lists for consideration. Two things
about that: you have to be doing it from a published Warrior list (NOT WRG)
and you must realize that about 95% of those submitted are at risk of just
sitting in a file and never being approved. But there is always that diamond
in the rough......

J


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People of Warrior, hear my words:

It has just occured to me, after the last couple of
weeks and a few recent posts that FW and 25mm are the
means to a rebirth in large figure wargaming. No one
can really afford a vast array of 1600pt Warrior or
400ap DBM armies in 25mm, so the scale has faltered.
However, for around $100 or less, a FW army can be
purchased in 25mm. That is less that an Essex DBM
starter box in 15mm!

I played another FW game last night, 1st Crusader v
Norman. Normans bit the dust, but it was nip and
tuck. Nothing more exciting than screaming HC lancers
slamming into each other impetuously Well except
for two lines of MI charging each other impetuously ;D
And Jon, just so you know, the B/j/sh armed HI are
awsome in orb :)

FW has what 25mm needs. A quick, small scale game.
It also means that stingy bastards like me can have
about 10 different armies for under $1000. So I again
implore the FHE to pursue FW with the majority of your
marketing time/money. I'll do what I can as well.
I'll set up another game and post some picks of it
hopefully next week. Perhaps what is needed is a
website like Dave's as a marketing point for pics,
tactics and stories...

boyd


> And like those "cheap 15mm
> DBM bastards",

PS - this sentense fragment from John brought it all together...

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I agree 100%. WAB claims to be "the" 25mm rules set! Vote with your
wallets!
(Personally, I don't care what anyone plays, as long as it influences more
companies to make more new good cheap 25mm figures. I am a painter much
more than a player.)
There's a lot of new manufacturers out there. I have already tried to put a
bee in Newline's bonnet. 1st Corps is another one known to package large
unit and army packs, and they make nice figures. As I pointed out in a
previous post, even if you already have an army, small army packs are a
great cheap way to add reinforcements.
BTW, I was just on the Silver Eagle site yesterday, and couldn't find any FW
armies.........

John the OFM



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wanax Andron [mailto:vercengetorix@...]
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:58 AM
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WarriorRules] A synaps fired
>
>
> People of Warrior, hear my words:
>
> It has just occured to me, after the last couple of
> weeks and a few recent posts that FW and 25mm are the
> means to a rebirth in large figure wargaming. No one
> can really afford a vast array of 1600pt Warrior or
> 400ap DBM armies in 25mm, so the scale has faltered.
> However, for around $100 or less, a FW army can be
> purchased in 25mm. That is less that an Essex DBM
> starter box in 15mm!
>
> I played another FW game last night, 1st Crusader v
> Norman. Normans bit the dust, but it was nip and
> tuck. Nothing more exciting than screaming HC lancers
> slamming into each other impetuously Well except
> for two lines of MI charging each other impetuously ;D
> And Jon, just so you know, the B/j/sh armed HI are
> awsome in orb
>
> FW has what 25mm needs. A quick, small scale game.
> It also means that stingy bastards like me can have
> about 10 different armies for under $1000. So I again
> implore the FHE to pursue FW with the majority of your
> marketing time/money. I'll do what I can as well.
> I'll set up another game and post some picks of it
> hopefully next week. Perhaps what is needed is a
> website like Dave's as a marketing point for pics,
> tactics and stories...
>
> boyd
>
>
> > And like those "cheap 15mm
> > DBM bastards",
>
> PS - this sentense fragment from John brought it all together...
>
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> Wake up and smell the Assyrians
>
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In a message dated 5/12/02 9:51:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Scott.Holder@... writes:

<< Subj: Re: [WarriorRules] A synaps fired
Date: 5/12/02 9:51:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Scott.Holder@... (Scott Holder)
Reply-to: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com

It has just occured to me, after the last couple of
weeks and a few recent posts that FW and 25mm are the
means to a rebirth in large figure wargaming. No one
can really afford a vast array of 1600pt Warrior or
400ap DBM armies in 25mm, so the scale has faltered.

>That would be a *very* innacurate statement vis a vis Warrior. I see new
armies at *every* east coast tourney in 25mm. Moreover, if you go to Cold
Wars, Historicon, or Fall In, you can buy Ral Partha lead at 50 cents a
figure. For the price of 15mm, you can get into 25mm easily. The Warrior
NICT has been done in 25mm for *years* now, the net result has been a good
number of people getting at least one 25mm army.

>Come to the midwest and south of here and you'll find the vast bulk of
players are 25mm. The northern CA folks who play have also traditionally
been 25mm players.

>DBM has never had a strong 25mm element, that's not a criticism, just an
observation.

Scott
List ho
>>

Essex, Newline and Essex (at the very least) have advertised specials on 1000
pt and 2000 pt Warhammer Ancient Battles armies.
FW armies are a natural from a packaging and marketing standpoint, since the
proportions and figures are fixed. I have been spreading the Good News to
Newline, and they may or may not have heard me. 24 figure unit packs for $24
is not too shabby, and their armies are even cheaper. Maybe they need a few
more voices?
At the very least, a pre-packaged arny is a good reinforcement pack for an
existing army!

John the OFM

> >That would be a *very* innacurate statement vis a
> vis Warrior. I see new
> armies at *every* east coast tourney in 25mm.
> Moreover, if you go to Cold
> Wars, Historicon, or Fall In, you can buy Ral Partha
> lead at 50 cents a
> figure. For the price of 15mm, you can get into
> 25mm easily. The Warrior
> NICT has been done in 25mm for *years* now, the net
> result has been a good
> number of people getting at least one 25mm army.

Scott, I'm not refering to those already rooted to
25mm, as the old 7th 25mm guys simply migrated to
Warrior and remain a constant. In 15mm, 7th faded
quickly with the emergence of DBx, and never really
regained the scale.

What I'm talking about is *growing* the 25mm scale,
and I think FW is the machine that makes that capable.
For about $100 you can get a FW army in 25mm, paint
it in about a month, and be ready to tournament play.
To grow a 1600pt 25mm army (RP figs aside) takes about
8 months to a year; it costs beyond most gamers
ability to have a 25mm in an assortment. I remember
always selling one army in order to buy another.

> >Come to the midwest and south of here and you'll
> find the vast bulk of
> players are 25mm. The northern CA folks who play
> have also traditionally
> been 25mm players.

I am in the south. The bulk of ancients gamers are
15mm and they play DBx. What I'm saying is, and this
is a good thing, that FW has the ability to attract
new 25mm blood. For minimal investment, a tepid DBx
player can inter the world of 25mm and Warrior.

> >DBM has never had a strong 25mm element, that's
> not a criticism, just an
> observation.

The reason is that DBM in 25mm is a very stagnent
game. In 15mm DBM one can manuver and utilize
terrain, but in 25mm DBM is clunky and less elegant.

>
> Scott
> List ho
> >>
>
> Essex, Newline and Essex (at the very least) have
> advertised specials on 1000
> pt and 2000 pt Warhammer Ancient Battles armies.
> FW armies are a natural from a packaging and
> marketing standpoint, since the
> proportions and figures are fixed. I have been
> spreading the Good News to
> Newline, and they may or may not have heard me. 24
> figure unit packs for $24
> is not too shabby, and their armies are even
> cheaper. Maybe they need a few
> more voices?
> At the very least, a pre-packaged arny is a good
> reinforcement pack for an
> existing army!
>
> John the OFM
>

I think FW army packs are a natural for 25mm lead
slingers. I'm still waiting to hear back from Jake
for my new FW Brug Ord army :)

In fact, I've now picked out my eight FW armies to
paint: Minoan, Polybian, Norman(have), Med. Veitcong,
Burg Ord., Samurai, Aracunain (sp), Arab conquest.

A good selection, one for each possible theme, and
each different characteristics than the others. Can't
wait to try out LTS/B armed Injuns :)

boyd


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