Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Afternoon all

I have put togther this Macedonian list for an upcoming tournament
and wanted some comments on the general structure of the army and any
glaring weaknesses it may have. I believe I have enough LI and LC
provide a decent screen and flanking force with enough pike and
hoplites forming a wall between scenery. A unit of Hypaspists in
each scenery block with a peltast unit to support attack in a
critical location. Companions and Thessalian MC to exploit flanks if
presented.

C-in-C + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 120pts
+ 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts

Sub-General + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 70pts
+ 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts

4 El Thessalians, Reg B, MC, JLS, RCF - 94pts

4 El Thessalians, Reg B, LC, JLS, RCF - 66pts

4 El Prodromoi, Reg B, LC, L, RCF - 66pts

4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts

4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts

6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts

6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts

6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts

6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts

6 El Hoplites, Reg C, MI, LTS, Sh, RCF - 106pts

4 Peltasts, Reg C, LMI, LTS, JLS, Sh, RCF - 90pts

4 Cretans, Reg C, LI, B, Sh, RCF - 42pts

6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts

6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts

All advice and tactics for this army welcome.

Regards

Michael

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "ranaghar2000"
<mikendannigeld@o...> wrote:
>
> Afternoon all
>
> I have put togther this Macedonian list for an upcoming tournament
> and wanted some comments on the general structure of the army and
any
> glaring weaknesses it may have. I believe I have enough LI and LC
> provide a decent screen and flanking force with enough pike and
> hoplites forming a wall between scenery. A unit of Hypaspists in
> each scenery block with a peltast unit to support attack in a
> critical location. Companions and Thessalian MC to exploit flanks
if
> presented.

I have used Alexandrian imperial a great deal in tournaments with
some success here in OZ. I would make a few suggestions about this
list:
>
> C-in-C + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 120pts
> + 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts
>
> Sub-General + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 70pts
> + 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts
>
> 4 El Thessalians, Reg B, MC, JLS, RCF - 94pts

Use your HC in units of 2 el. They manouver so well that 4 will just
get in the way. Dont use thessalians. Lance is always better than jls
for a cavalryman, so use more companions instead.
>
> 4 El Thessalians, Reg B, LC, JLS, RCF - 66pts
>
> 4 El Prodromoi, Reg B, LC, L, RCF - 66pts

Are you using the conquest army or alexandrian imperial? The biggest
advantage of imperial is you can get lc with bw rather than l or jls.
If I was using these jls or l lc I would probably be inclined to take
them as 2 el units
>
> 4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts
>
> 4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Hoplites, Reg C, MI, LTS, Sh, RCF - 106pts

are these hoplites compulsory?? if not use more pike instead. I
dislike 6 el pike units. I prefer 4el myself and consider the next
best option to be 8. This makes it much easier to take full advantage
of the figures able to fight.
>
> 4 Peltasts, Reg C, LMI, LTS, JLS, Sh, RCF - 90pts
>
> 4 Cretans, Reg C, LI, B, Sh, RCF - 42pts
>
> 6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts
>
> 6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts

regular jls armed li are probably better in smaller units. I like to
use more li than this but i know many would disagree with me.
>
> All advice and tactics for this army welcome.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael
how many points is this?? on the tactics you mention I would be
inclined to put the peltasts in the terrain and have the hypaspists
in the open where they can make full use of their higher morale.

Good luck, i love this army. dont listen to anyone who tries to tell
you selucid is better


Martin

[Todd Schneider]

The only problem I see is this:

Assume you get the terrrain you want, and the placement you want. That
won;t likely happen, but it keeps things simple. What happens when your
opponent sits in his deployment zone on "WAIT" orders.

How are you going to win when you have to go on the attack?

Todd

ranaghar2000 wrote:

>
> Afternoon all
>
> I have put togther this Macedonian list for an upcoming tournament
> and wanted some comments on the general structure of the army and any
> glaring weaknesses it may have. I believe I have enough LI and LC
> provide a decent screen and flanking force with enough pike and
> hoplites forming a wall between scenery. A unit of Hypaspists in
> each scenery block with a peltast unit to support attack in a
> critical location. Companions and Thessalian MC to exploit flanks if
> presented.
>
> C-in-C + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 120pts
> + 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts
>
> Sub-General + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 70pts
> + 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts
>
> 4 El Thessalians, Reg B, MC, JLS, RCF - 94pts
>
> 4 El Thessalians, Reg B, LC, JLS, RCF - 66pts
>
> 4 El Prodromoi, Reg B, LC, L, RCF - 66pts
>
> 4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts
>
> 4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Hoplites, Reg C, MI, LTS, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 4 Peltasts, Reg C, LMI, LTS, JLS, Sh, RCF - 90pts
>
> 4 Cretans, Reg C, LI, B, Sh, RCF - 42pts
>
> 6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts
>
> 6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts
>
> All advice and tactics for this army welcome.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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[Ewan McNay]

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, ranaghar2000 wrote:
> C-in-C + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 120pts
> + 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts
>
> Sub-General + 2 Reg A, HC, L - 70pts
> + 3 El Companions, Reg A, HC, L - 90pts

Ok so far. :-)

> 4 El Thessalians, Reg B, MC, JLS, RCF - 94pts

(1) Take in 2E units
(2) shield if possible (probably not).
(3) consider JLS vs lance. I actually agree with JLS - allowing sirmish -
but the fighting ability is *significantly* reduced.

> 4 El Thessalians, Reg B, LC, JLS, RCF - 66pts

Again 2E units. Take advantage of the regular, high morale troops - you
sure can't take advantage of armour or weaponry!

> 4 El Prodromoi, Reg B, LC, L, RCF - 66pts

2E and only if compulsory, although others like LC L more than I.

> 4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts
>
> 4 El Hypaspists, Reg B, LMI, LTS, Sh, JLS, RCF - 106pts

Superb troops - take more if possible.

> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg B, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 130pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Pezetarioi, Reg C, MI, P, Sh, RCF - 106pts
>
> 6 El Hoplites, Reg C, MI, LTS, Sh, RCF - 106pts

Skip the hoplites. Minimise Reg B pike and take in 4E units. Maximise
C/D class in 8E units. You generally want to fight either 2 or 4 deep; 6E
is not completely nuts - allows for good manouvre - but loses some
fighting power too often.

> 4 Peltasts, Reg C, LMI, LTS, JLS, Sh, RCF - 90pts
>
> 4 Cretans, Reg C, LI, B, Sh, RCF - 42pts
>
> 6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts
>
> 6 Agrianes, Reg C, LI, JLS, Sh, RCF - 58pts

I'd take 4E reg LI units, but this is all OK and mostly personal taste.

e