Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really obvious but we've
been arguing
about it here.

Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops to enemies on
the
ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be higher, like
on a hill or in
a fortification?

Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols campaign.

J

[Derek Downs]

In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:43:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
greg.regets@... writes:
It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt shooters
on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.

g
Gimmick = Something you wish your army had, and your opponent's didn't.

Worthless Gimmick = No such thing. Gimmick itself implies worth +.

Derekcus :)


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[joncleaves]

Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under these
circumstances:

"Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge or knoll, or
from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to a tower, over intervening
troops who are at least 40 paces distant from both them and their target."

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops rules question


I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really obvious but we've
been arguing
about it here.

Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops to enemies on
the
ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be higher, like
on a hill or in
a fortification?

Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols campaign.

J








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[Greg Regets]

It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt shooters
on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.

g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under these
circumstances:
>
> "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge
or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to a
tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant from
both them and their target."
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops rules
question
>
>
> I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really obvious
but we've
> been arguing
> about it here.
>
> Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops
to enemies on
> the
> ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be
higher, like
> on a hill or in
> a fortification?
>
> Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols
campaign.
>
> J
>
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[joncleaves]

Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill, rampart or tower. You
cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a cart.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops rules question


It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt shooters
on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.

g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under these
circumstances:
>
> "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge
or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to a
tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant from
both them and their target."
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops rules
question
>
>
> I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really obvious
but we've
> been arguing
> about it here.
>
> Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops
to enemies on
> the
> ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be
higher, like
> on a hill or in
> a fortification?
>
> Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols
campaign.
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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[Greg Regets]

I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and rises.

g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill, rampart or
tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a cart.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops
rules question
>
>
> It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
shooters
> on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.
>
> g
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under
these
> circumstances:
> >
> > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge
> or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to
a
> tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant
from
> both them and their target."
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops
rules
> question
> >
> >
> > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really
obvious
> but we've
> > been arguing
> > about it here.
> >
> > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly
troops
> to enemies on
> > the
> > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be
> higher, like
> > on a hill or in
> > a fortification?
> >
> > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols
> campaign.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[joncleaves]

Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.

My comment was not directed at you, Greg. :)

J

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops rules question


I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and rises.

g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill, rampart or
tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a cart.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops
rules question
>
>
> It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
shooters
> on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.
>
> g
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under
these
> circumstances:
> >
> > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge
> or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to
a
> tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant
from
> both them and their target."
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops
rules
> question
> >
> >
> > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really
obvious
> but we've
> > been arguing
> > about it here.
> >
> > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly
troops
> to enemies on
> > the
> > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be
> higher, like
> > on a hill or in
> > a fortification?
> >
> > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols
> campaign.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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[Greg Regets]

Oh, I know Jon ... :-)

I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the first place ...
largely eliminating the purpose of the post.

What I've had success with is putting these things on hills and using
friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority from play.
People might want to try it. It can be very effective in some
instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the arena of
SHK armies. ;-)



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
>
> My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
>
> J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops
rules question
>
>
> I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and rises.
>
> g
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill, rampart
or
> tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a cart.
> >
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops
> rules question
> >
> >
> > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
> shooters
> > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.
> >
> > g
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under
> these
> > circumstances:
> > >
> > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low
ridge
> > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or
to
> a
> > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant
> from
> > both them and their target."
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops
> rules
> > question
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really
> obvious
> > but we've
> > > been arguing
> > > about it here.
> > >
> > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly
> troops
> > to enemies on
> > > the
> > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to
be
> > higher, like
> > > on a hill or in
> > > a fortification?
> > >
> > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the
Mongols
> > campaign.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
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[Greg Regets]

That was a great answer!!!

I guess you didn't get those NICT wins in a Cracker Jack box. ;-)



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:43:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> greg.regets@g... writes:
> It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt shooters
> on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.
>
> g
> Gimmick = Something you wish your army had, and your opponent's
didn't.
>
> Worthless Gimmick = No such thing. Gimmick itself implies worth +.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
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>

[Mike Turner]

Gimmick against a newbie = going down to the schoolyard and stealing
lunch money

Gimmick against a veteran who knows the rules = most likely worthless


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:43:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> greg.regets@g... writes:
> It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt shooters
> on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.
>
> g
> Gimmick = Something you wish your army had, and your opponent's
didn't.
>
> Worthless Gimmick = No such thing. Gimmick itself implies worth +.
>
> Derekcus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Greg Regets]

Another good answer.

These don't qualify as gimmiks to me. They are just another shooting
platform. You can diffuse the effects and/or make them shoot at poor
targets ... but that isn't any different from what you can do with
any other shooting platform.



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "turner1118" <Turnerm@l...>
wrote:
>
> Gimmick against a newbie = going down to the schoolyard and
stealing
> lunch money
>
> Gimmick against a veteran who knows the rules = most likely
worthless
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:43:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > greg.regets@g... writes:
> > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
shooters
> > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this board.
> >
> > g
> > Gimmick = Something you wish your army had, and your opponent's
> didn't.
> >
> > Worthless Gimmick = No such thing. Gimmick itself implies worth +.
> >
> > Derekcus
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Mike Turner]

I also wouldn't consider cart mounted bolt shooters a gimmick, I
think the original comment about worthless was more about their cost
versus how much you get out of them. Some people consider them
pricey for what you get. Not all that maneuverable, and not really
hard enough hitting.

Mike

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets" <greg.regets@g...>
wrote:
>
> Another good answer.
>
> These don't qualify as gimmiks to me. They are just another
shooting
> platform. You can diffuse the effects and/or make them shoot at
poor
> targets ... but that isn't any different from what you can do with
> any other shooting platform.
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "turner1118" <Turnerm@l...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gimmick against a newbie = going down to the schoolyard and
> stealing
> > lunch money
> >
> > Gimmick against a veteran who knows the rules = most likely
> worthless
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, darnd022263@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:43:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > greg.regets@g... writes:
> > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
> shooters
> > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this
board.
> > >
> > > g
> > > Gimmick = Something you wish your army had, and your opponent's
> > didn't.
> > >
> > > Worthless Gimmick = No such thing. Gimmick itself implies worth
+.
> > >
> > > Derekcus
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[Chris Bump]

I am pretty sure that Early Byzantines do not get carts for their
bolt shooters unless there is erata in the list clarifications or you
are describing Nike's as early. Just some fodder for your post.
Chris

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets" <greg.regets@g...>
wrote:
>
> Oh, I know Jon ...
>
> I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the first
place ...
> largely eliminating the purpose of the post.
>
> What I've had success with is putting these things on hills and
using
> friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority from
play.
> People might want to try it. It can be very effective in some
> instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the arena of
> SHK armies.
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> >
> > Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
> >
> > My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
> >
> > J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other troops
> rules question
> >
> >
> > I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and rises.
> >
> > g
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill, rampart
> or
> > tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a
cart.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
troops
> > rules question
> > >
> > >
> > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
> > shooters
> > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this
board.
> > >
> > > g
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under
> > these
> > > circumstances:
> > > >
> > > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low
> ridge
> > > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from
or
> to
> > a
> > > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces
distant
> > from
> > > both them and their target."
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops
> > rules
> > > question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really
> > obvious
> > > but we've
> > > > been arguing
> > > > about it here.
> > > >
> > > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly
> > troops
> > > to enemies on
> > > > the
> > > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have
to
> be
> > > higher, like
> > > > on a hill or in
> > > > a fortification?
> > > >
> > > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the
> Mongols
> > > campaign.
> > > >
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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[Greg Regets]

Looking it up before you posted, might have been a good play. ;-)



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...> wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure that Early Byzantines do not get carts for their
> bolt shooters unless there is erata in the list clarifications or
you
> are describing Nike's as early. Just some fodder for your post.
> Chris
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
<greg.regets@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, I know Jon ...
> >
> > I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the first
> place ...
> > largely eliminating the purpose of the post.
> >
> > What I've had success with is putting these things on hills and
> using
> > friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority from
> play.
> > People might want to try it. It can be very effective in some
> > instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the arena
of
> > SHK armies.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
> > >
> > > My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
troops
> > rules question
> > >
> > >
> > > I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and rises.
> > >
> > > g
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill,
rampart
> > or
> > > tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a
> cart.
> > > >
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
> troops
> > > rules question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light bolt
> > > shooters
> > > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this
> board.
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only
under
> > > these
> > > > circumstances:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low
> > ridge
> > > > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from
> or
> > to
> > > a
> > > > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces
> distant
> > > from
> > > > both them and their target."
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other
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> > > rules
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> > > obvious
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> > > > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly
> > > troops
> > > > to enemies on
> > > > > the
> > > > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have
> to
> > be
> > > > higher, like
> > > > > on a hill or in
> > > > > a fortification?
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> > > > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the
> > Mongols
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[Chris Bump]

I cannot speak to list errata- and truthfully I have no idea where to
find it, but double checking the dark age lists neither list 19 nor
24 provide for carts.
I assume that there are list changes based on your response?
Chris

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets" <greg.regets@g...>
wrote:
>
> Looking it up before you posted, might have been a good play.
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...> wrote:
> >
> > I am pretty sure that Early Byzantines do not get carts for their
> > bolt shooters unless there is erata in the list clarifications or
> you
> > are describing Nike's as early. Just some fodder for your post.
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
> <greg.regets@g...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, I know Jon ...
> > >
> > > I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the first
> > place ...
> > > largely eliminating the purpose of the post.
> > >
> > > What I've had success with is putting these things on hills and
> > using
> > > friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority from
> > play.
> > > People might want to try it. It can be very effective in some
> > > instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the arena
> of
> > > SHK armies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
> > > >
> > > > My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
> > > >
> > > > J
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
> troops
> > > rules question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and
rises.
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill,
> rampart
> > > or
> > > > tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a
> > cart.
> > > > >
> > > > > J
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
> > troops
> > > > rules question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light
bolt
> > > > shooters
> > > > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on this
> > board.
> > > > >
> > > > > g
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only
> under
> > > > these
> > > > > circumstances:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise,
low
> > > ridge
> > > > > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops
from
> > or
> > > to
> > > > a
> > > > > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces
> > distant
> > > > from
> > > > > both them and their target."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other
> troops
> > > > rules
> > > > > question
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is
really
> > > > obvious
> > > > > but we've
> > > > > > been arguing
> > > > > > about it here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening
friendly
> > > > troops
> > > > > to enemies on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery)
have
> > to
> > > be
> > > > > higher, like
> > > > > > on a hill or in
> > > > > > a fortification?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the
> > > Mongols
> > > > > campaign.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
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