Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

First the historical stuff.

I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
located right when you come in the door. That's right, for someone
like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.

So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I decide
to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm not
being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into fellow
Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of but
there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537- by
Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).

As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
books.

Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN 0-
415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
it. Can't wait to wade into it.

The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material quite
nicely.

Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa MS.
ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).

Now to the historical novels.

I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into leadership
I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.

Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.

scott

[joncleaves]

I second the recommendation for OMM's collection...awesome.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: irobot00 <Scott.Holder@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:39:05 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Books


First the historical stuff.

I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
located right when you come in the door. That's right, for someone
like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.

So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I decide
to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm not
being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into fellow
Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of but
there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537- by
Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).

As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
books.

Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN 0-
415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
it. Can't wait to wade into it.

The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material quite
nicely.

Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa MS.
ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).

Now to the historical novels.

I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into leadership
I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.

Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.

scott






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You have all my support in getting back on the wagon!

I quite understand.

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
>
> First the historical stuff.
>
> I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
> comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
> located right when you come in the door. That's right, for
someone
> like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
> sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.
>
> So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I
decide
> to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
> past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm
not
> being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
> Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into
fellow
> Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of
but
> there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
> admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
> looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
> what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
> originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537-
by
> Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
> despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
> never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).
>
> As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
> Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
> minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
> books.
>
> Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN
0-
> 415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
> it. Can't wait to wade into it.
>
> The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
> 874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
> I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
> ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
> But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material
quite
> nicely.
>
> Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
> the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa
MS.
> ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
> series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
> militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
> been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).
>
> Now to the historical novels.
>
> I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just
finished
> before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into
leadership
> I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
> as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
> eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
> Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.
>
> Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
> 15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
> entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
> covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
> one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
> nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.
>
> scott
>

[Bill Chriss]

I too am a book junkie and have bought from OMM some fine and hard to find
stuff. One book I am particularly fond of is Antigonos Gonatos by WW Tarn.
It's hard to find a copy. Movie and novel buffs read on below.


>
> Now to the historical novels.
>
> I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
> before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> Alexander.

Obviously, I too enjoy Pressfield. I have not read this one, but I still
claim that Tides of War is his best. I also recommend the entire series of
Greek and Hellenistic historical novels by Mary Renault, particularly
Funeral Games, a fascinating portrayal of the Diadochi.

I also enjoy the military film guys at the cons and have some gotten some
rare foreign stuff from them (like a 1930's Italian Scipio Africanus), but
my favorites are The 300 Spartans on DVD and the 1950's version of Helen
of Troy. Now if I could only find a copy of the Aztrec/Maya film Kings of
the Sun starring Yul Brynner and George Chakiris (a Greek BTW). Captain of
Castille is also a fantastic portrayal of Cortez' conquest of Mexico with
Ty Power in the lead role and the wonderful Cesar Romero as Cortez.

Obviously, I could go on and on. It is difficult for me to fathom how a
NASAMW'er would not also be enthralled by movies and books about military
history. I suspect we all are. In fact, unless and until Jon were to stop
it, this thread could go on and on....(which wouldn't bother me-I'm always
looking for good historical books and movies).


-Greek

[John Murphy]

FICTION

Theodora - Great subject matter (Late Thematic/Early Nikephorian)
but despite being held on a pedastal I found it to be a real yawn.
Poorly written, couldn't make it all the way through the book.

Grail Quest series (Archer's Tail, Vagabond, Heretic) - great books
all three set in the Hundred Years War.

All the Ellis Peters books on Brother Cadfael - mysteries set in the
war between Stephen and Matilda. The videos were okay but
unsuprisingly the books were alot better.

Alfred Duggan's "Lord Geoffrey's Fancy" - famous fiction on the
Achaian Franks, a very good read.

On a slightly Fantasy note there are always Harry Turtledove's
works "Agent of Byzantium" and all 10-11 Videssos books (which I see
are being re-printed). And similarly "Lest Darkness Fall" set in
Ostrogothic Italy.

That spans a few decades now of histerical fiction in our period I
have particularly enjoyed. I'm well buried into the Polish trilogy
now (With Fire and Sword, The Deluge, Pan Michal) and they are
probably the best fiction I have ever read (the Nobel Prize
committee must actually know what they are doing), although ever so
slightly post-period.

NONFICTION

Medieval Mercenaries on the Free Companies - good reading, very
informative.

Victory in the East on the First Crusade likewise.

Those are the only non-fiction ones I have more or less been able to
read cover-to-cover of late. I would of course like to find
something on Stephen the Great of Moldavia and/or his era.

John Murphy

[Mark Stone]

Fiction:

Anything written by Dorothy Dunnett. Most of her work is post our period, but
the Nicholas series begins around the time of the Fall of Constantinople and so
pretty much covers our period. "King Hereafter" may be the finest stand alone
historical novel I've ever read (it's about MacBeth, the _real_ MacBeth, not
Shakespeare's rendition).

"The White Company" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (yeah, that Sherlock Holmes guy).

"The Grey Maiden", a series of inter-related short stories starting in the
Classical period and ending the Crusades. Rich Gagliasso was kind enough to
lend me this rare jewel, and he can tell us who the author is.

Completely out of our period, and he'll be too humble to mention it himself, but
_everyone_ on this list should read our Christian Cameron's "Washington and
Caesar".

Non-Fiction:

"Byzantium and the Rise of Russia" (title is self-explanatory)

"The First Crusade" by Steven Runciman

"Crescent and the Cross" by D. Derekson, covers the fall of Constantinople
brilliantly.

"Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World", a book that made me
completely re-think the role of nomadic civilizations in the development of
modern society.

"Emperor Manuel Paleologous and the West", the best account I know of for the
Byzantine Empire of the late 14th and early 15th century.

"Supply in War" by Martin Van Creveld, a must read for anyone serious about
understanding how much is decided before battle is ever drawn.

Ostrogorsky's "History of the Byzantine Empire" is an obvious standard that
bears mentioning.

"The Last Knight", a biography of John of Guant. More cultural history than
military history, but still a good read.

"1215: The Year of Magna Carta", this is the book I'm reading right now. Quite a
good read. Almost makes me want to play Anglo-Normans. Almost.


-Mark Stone

[Matt Kollmer]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
>
Oh No I witnessed you fall from grace and unwitingly did nothing.
Yeah I don't even get to read much and buy books(for the hope that
I'll get to read them in the future when maybe kids get away from
me!!)



> First the historical stuff.
>
> I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
> comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
> located right when you come in the door. That's right, for someone
> like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
> sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.
>
> So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I
decide
> to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
> past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm
not
> being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
> Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into
fellow
> Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of but
> there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
> admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
> looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
> what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
> originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537-
by
> Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
> despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
> never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).
>
> As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
> Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
> minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
> books.
>
> Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN
0-
> 415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
> it. Can't wait to wade into it.
>
> The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
> 874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
> I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
> ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
> But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material
quite
> nicely.
>
> Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
> the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa MS.
> ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
> series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
> militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
> been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).
>
> Now to the historical novels.
>
> I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
> before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into leadership
> I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
> as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
> eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
> Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.
>
> Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
> 15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
> entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
> covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
> one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
> nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.
>
> scott
>

[Matt Kollmer]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
>
Oh No I witnessed you fall from grace and unwitingly did nothing.
Yeah I don't even get to read much and buy books(for the hope that
I'll get to read them in the future when maybe kids get away from
me!!)



> First the historical stuff.
>
> I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
> comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
> located right when you come in the door. That's right, for someone
> like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
> sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.
>
> So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I
decide
> to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
> past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm
not
> being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
> Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into
fellow
> Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of but
> there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
> admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
> looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
> what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
> originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537-
by
> Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
> despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
> never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).
>
> As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
> Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
> minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
> books.
>
> Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN
0-
> 415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
> it. Can't wait to wade into it.
>
> The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
> 874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
> I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
> ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
> But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material
quite
> nicely.
>
> Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
> the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa MS.
> ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
> series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
> militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
> been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).
>
> Now to the historical novels.
>
> I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
> before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into leadership
> I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
> as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
> eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
> Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.
>
> Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
> 15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
> entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
> covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
> one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
> nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.
>
> scott
>

[Matt Kollmer]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
>
Oh No I witnessed you fall from grace and unwitingly did nothing.
Yeah I don't even get to read much and buy books(for the hope that
I'll get to read them in the future when maybe kids get away from
me!!)



> First the historical stuff.
>
> I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
> comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
> located right when you come in the door. That's right, for someone
> like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
> sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.
>
> So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I
decide
> to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
> past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm
not
> being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
> Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into
fellow
> Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of but
> there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
> admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
> looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
> what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
> originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537-
by
> Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
> despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
> never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).
>
> As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
> Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
> minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
> books.
>
> Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN
0-
> 415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
> it. Can't wait to wade into it.
>
> The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
> 874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
> I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
> ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
> But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material
quite
> nicely.
>
> Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
> the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa MS.
> ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
> series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
> militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
> been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).
>
> Now to the historical novels.
>
> I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
> before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into leadership
> I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
> as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
> eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
> Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.
>
> Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
> 15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
> entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
> covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
> one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
> nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.
>
> scott
>

[Matt Kollmer]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
>
Sorry crappy computer!
I was refered too a book called "Tarter-Mongol armies" which OMM has
(just not at CW )
Supposed to be really great.
The only book I've been able to read any of is "Aztec Warfare" by
Ross Hassig....easy to read (for us dumb folk) and covers so much
about not only warfare, but society and the effects of militarism on
the people of that society. real interesting!
2 cents.....clinck clinck
Matt




> First the historical stuff.
>
> I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
> comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
> located right when you come in the door. That's right, for someone
> like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
> sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.
>
> So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I
decide
> to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly sprint
> past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm
not
> being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
> Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into
fellow
> Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of but
> there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
> admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
> looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and behold,
> what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
> originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537-
by
> Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
> despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
> never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).
>
> As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
> Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
> minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
> books.
>
> Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge, ISBN
0-
> 415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled across
> it. Can't wait to wade into it.
>
> The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
> 874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book because
> I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able to
> ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-State.
> But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material
quite
> nicely.
>
> Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times of
> the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa MS.
> ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
> series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
> militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
> been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).
>
> Now to the historical novels.
>
> I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just finished
> before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into leadership
> I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a way
> as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with an
> eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
> Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.
>
> Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about a
> 15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
> entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
> covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While this
> one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are), it
> nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.
>
> scott
>

[Ed Kollmer]

Yo!! Greek et al.

I like Matt have some books I feel I will die before I get to read
them. I just bought the book "1453" about the fall of
constantinople. I already have the book"Fall of Constantinople " by
Runicman. I hope I get to read them.
I saw the 1930 film Scipio Africanus, back in 1960's sometime.
Didn't remember the name. But I saw that Belle and Blade has it
listed . I would like to get it but my money is budgeted for other
things right now....like figures.
Nevertheless, a great film that I have on VCR and hope to get on DVD
is "Heaven and Earth" about medieval Japan. I watched it many times
recently since I was helping Matt paint up Samurai. It helped to
inspire me and give me some colors for the figures.
I am watching ELCID right now(while painting Babylonian Camels).
Getting in the mood for Pointcon. I hopefully will bring my
Andalusians, and watch once more the Cid ride into history or
legend or something like that or just get killed.
EKollmer



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "dragonsmogg" <mkollmer@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@>
> wrote:
> >
> Sorry crappy computer!
> I was refered too a book called "Tarter-Mongol armies" which OMM
has
> (just not at CW )
> Supposed to be really great.
> The only book I've been able to read any of is "Aztec Warfare" by
> Ross Hassig....easy to read (for us dumb folk) and covers so much
> about not only warfare, but society and the effects of militarism
on
> the people of that society. real interesting!
> 2 cents.....clinck clinck
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> > First the historical stuff.
> >
> > I have to be *very* careful at Cold Wars and Historicon when it
> > comes to the Dealer's Area. Why? Because the crack house is
> > located right when you come in the door. That's right, for
someone
> > like me who can't have enough books, dealers like OMM are like
> > sticking the needle in an addicts arm. Aaahhhhhh.
> >
> > So, on Sunday since we didn't have any Warrior games going, I
> decide
> > to actually wander over to the Tennis Barn. I very quickly
sprint
> > past OMM barely acknowleding the fine people who work there (I'm
> not
> > being rude guys, I'm simply trying not to fall off the wagon).
> > Whew, one major hurdle past. As I meander around, I run into
> fellow
> > Ho Bill. I'm not even sure which dealer table he's in front of
but
> > there are a few books there. We start comparing libraries,
> > admitting they're not nearly as vast as we'd like them to be and
> > looking at the books on the table in front of us. Lo and
behold,
> > what do I see? The House of Seleucus (Ares Publication Inc,
> > originally published 1902, this is a reprint, ISBN 0-89005-537-

> by
> > Edwyn R Bevan. This book, and Bevan, are giants in the field
> > despite the work now being over 100 years old. I actually have
> > never had this book. Insert needle in arm. Thanks Bill:).
> >
> > As I'm making my way to the front door, I fell off the wagon.
> > Aieeeeeeee. I figure, I can glance in the OMM booth for just a
> > minute, what harm can that be? KACHING!!!!!!!!!!!! Three great
> > books.
> >
> > Marshals Of Alexander's Empire by Waldemar Heckel, Routledge,
ISBN
> 0-
> > 415-05053-7. I've heard about this book but never stumbled
across
> > it. Can't wait to wade into it.
> >
> > The Army of Tang China by Karl Heinz Ranitzch. Montvert. ISBN 1
> > 874101 0403. No new ground (for me at least) in this book
because
> > I've been fortunate in obtaining newer material and being able
to
> > ping Mr Tang Dynasty Military himself, Dr David Graff at K-
State.
> > But, this book as a great bibliography and covers the material
> quite
> > nicely.
> >
> > Arms and Armour of the Nomads of the Great Steppe in the Times
of
> > the Mongol Expansion by Witold Swietoslawski. Oficyna Navkowa
MS.
> > ISBN 83-85874-02-X. This is a Polish publisher and has done a
> > series of what are best described as Monographs on Steppe
> > militaries. They are translated and this is the third book I've
> > been able to get. Invalueable if you're writing lists:).
> >
> > Now to the historical novels.
> >
> > I'm sure everybody has heard of Stephen Pressfied. I just
finished
> > before Cold Wars, The Virtues of War, an historical novel about
> > Alexander. This book has some of the best insights into
leadership
> > I've seen. And, it describes battlefield conditions in such a
way
> > as to make you think Pressfield's a miniature gamer albeit with
an
> > eye for what the individual sees and experiences on the ground.
> > Fantabulous book that Warrior players would love.
> >
> > Finally, Aztec by Gary Jennings. I'm rereading this after about
a
> > 15+ year first reading of it. Huge book on the Aztecs, very
> > entertaining, very well researched. He's got two more books
> > covering Mexico afterwards which are next on my list. While
this
> > one is less wargamey in nature (as most historical novels are),
it
> > nonetheless provides context and a good dose of military stuff.
> >
> > scott
> >
>

[John Murphy]

I should add to my non-fiction list (and these were only the ones I
managed to pretty much completely read and enjoy)

"Sowing the Dragons Teeth" on the Byzantines - hard to believe I
forgot this one as it is inadvertently almost perfectly tailored for
wargamers

Jonathan Sumption's series on the HYW, which, okay, I have not waded
all the way thru but it would certainly have been done if I had the
time - the sheer volume is what stopped me, not the writing -
incredibly detailed work

Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army - I am
not a West Point graduate but I would bet money that this book is
THE defining work on pre-industrial military logistics. Very good
analysis grounded in cited source material. Not great for battles
but if you want to do a logistics system for a campaign I would
think this would be a vital book to read.

Marsden's 'Campaign and Battle of Gaugamela' - I had this from the
library many years ago and do not have a copy, probably a rather
rare bird anymore, but another book with some attempts at analysis,
less certain of the conclusions arrived at here (though they seem
plausible) but still a thought-provoking work.

[John Murphy]

Oh, and, for those like me who can handle picture books much better...

John Warry's "Warfare in the Classical World" - but be sure to get an
edition with all the graphics as I believe (not sure) it has also been
printed in some editions with much less. A very nice page in
particular on manipular Roman legions. Don't know if it is all bogus
but I have not seen anyone put forth another explanation in such a
clearly-understood manner.

[John Murphy]

Finally got in to Winchester yesterday to spend my Borders gift card.
Picked up...

"Dracula, Prince of Many Faces" by Radu Florescu and Raymond McNally -
the life and times of Vlad the Impaler, son of the Dragon - the
Moldavians of Stephen the Great while not featured would seem to be a
major element in this book (still looking for a book in English on
that subject) - probably many similar "real Dracula" books floating
around out there of which this may not be the best one in English

"The Man in the Iron Mask" by Roger MacDonald - the historical context
of the Three Musketeers series of novels by Dumas. Out of period but
possibly of interest.

[scott holder]

> Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army - I am
> not a West Point graduate but I would bet money that this book is
> THE defining work on pre-industrial military logistics. Very good
> analysis grounded in cited source material. Not great for battles
> but if you want to do a logistics system for a campaign I would
> think this would be a vital book to read.

You talk logistics to most people and their eyes roll back into their
heads or to quote General Colt from Kelly's Heroes "We got logistics
coming out our ears!"

But, the above book is one of the easiest reads and one of the best
primers in logistics you'll ever find. And it's about Alexander!
This book should be in everybody's library.

scott