Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

Coincidentally,

We were also the largest tournament at FWW. We also had two players fall out
leaving us with 8 and John Green complained afterwards when he was called to
be chastised that he never received the word, so who knows how many he might
have brought with him. There were 8 DBMers but only ever 3 games at a time
and the WAB thing never materialized. We had a couple of guys who came by
and made snyde remarks, but they were far outnumbered by those who came back
for multiple passes. I'm not sure if it was already said, but we could
easily have sold 4 rules sets and presumably copies of each army list had we
had them. We also had the benefit of occuppying pretty much the middle of
the playing area. No reason we will not be able to grow by at least 50% next
year.

We play some 15 around here, but the emphasis is heavy on 25's. From
Twistercon and now FWW we have definitely confirmed in our minds that it
attracts the most attention. even our most stalwart 15 advocate is now
painting his first, and we all know once you've had one....., and therfore
likely not his last 25 army. 3-D Terrain goes a Looooooooong way aswell.
Pat received several compliments on his boards and they were not as nice as
those that Tim made for Pointcon earlier this year. Attractive terrain goes
along way as a draw to new players. Despite some minor grumblings we are
pretty well convinced that pre-set terrain is the way to go. I was sold when
I saw the modeling work that can be achieved by the guys at Pointcon and have
been pushing for the same efforts here. Not much convincing required.

It was nice to have a game shop approach us rather than our having to sell
the idea to him.
Definitely looking forward to twistercon. Even Damour made a comment about
possibly getting up for that!
Chris

[Chris Bump]

Sorry to duplicate. Was not meant as anything. Yes, we did ask for some
rules/ lists to sell for Twistercon last year and were politely rebuffed.
Something about who assumes the risk etc. The game store now has the contact
info for where to get the Warrior rules and lists. We'll see how serious he
is if he orders some sets or not.

We passed out the web site address multiple times. Maybe it will bear fruit.
We all know the temptaions of impulse buying at a con though, and from a
purely marketing perspective, those opportunities were missed.

Chris

[scott holder]

First, I didn't thank the folks who carried the flag at FWW. Thanks. Hopefully
we can all meet at Twistercon next March for either FW or "real" Warrior games.
Even if Jon can't make it (due to possible proximity to Cold Wars) I should be
able to unless it falls on the same weekend as Cold Wars.

Guess who had the largest ancients tourney at Border Wars? Hee hee, *we* did.
In fact, Jon and Mike deliberately didn't play so we ended up with *only* 10
players. WAB had 8 and another ancients gaming system only pulled in 3. One of
the players in that other system made some snide crack Friday night when he
walked by my table (I was working on the Gondor list for Fantasy Warrior while
the WAB folks were playing a monster game) and saw Biblical Warrior and Dark Age
Warrior out and said "oh, new army lists books, what rules are these for?" I
*think* Dave Smith wandered by at that point and said "Warrior by FHE". This
genius said "oh, well if it's not on the web, then I've never heard of it".
Stereotypical miniatures wargamer in that we was middle-aged, single, overweight
and smelled:) It's those kinds of moments that I'm glad certain people
*don't* play this system:):)

But other than that, I had a great time at the show. I played against Shawn in
my 3rd round and had played against him once that I remembered (he remembered
another time when I was running Aztecs, man I've forgotten that). But I also
got to play against another Jon and Marshall, neither of whom I'd played before
so that was a real bonus.

The Roman format worked pretty well. From a thematic standpoint, it's actually
very neat. Probably the only drawback is that we didn't have enough lead to do
6 entirely different FW Roman armies (we had two Marians). Ideally, with 5
pairs, we should have done all three Imperial lists, and Marians and Polybians
(or the earlier Camillans). This meant that players tended to work through the
bracket with the possibility of playing nothing but Roman armies. Jon made some
last minute changes that enabled provided a bit more variety for players so I
think everything went well in the end.

The most intriguing army matchup was Huns vs LIR. Take a look at the lists and
you'll see what I mean. We played 1.5 hour rounds so that meant not all games
went to completion. I'd be interested in seeing how Huns vs LIR would play out
over 3 games that went until there was a winner.

Jon and I then played the one 25mm game we'd setup as a fall back if we had 12
players, E Visigoths (that looked a whole lot like my Galations, imagine that)
and LIR provided by Shawn. Fun fun time.

Dave Smith provided many of the cool prizes (including those 4 elements of
painted 15mm Mongols that all of us were drooling over, including people like me
who don't play much 15mm anymore). Thanks Dave.

Fall In: Warrior players, please come out in droves for Fall In. We've got a
slightly different schedule this time but one that should accomodate both
scales, open and historical preferences and some different type of competition
in terms of FW. Just to refresh everyone's memory, we start off at noon on
Friday with a 15mm Holy Warrior FW tourney. Then at 7pm, we kick off the 1600pt
Open (both scales theoretically but 15mm players might need to adapt). Then we
move onto the FW Open Sat nite at 7pm (both scales hopefully). I'll be there
ready to play in all three tourneys (borrowing some 15mm army from fellow Ho
Bill and will have Burgundian Ordonnance in 15mm and 25mm so I can float in the
Open). I'd like us to put on a good show so please come out and wave the flag.

Army Lists: Holy Warrior will be for sale at Fall In and of course you can
order it now at www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com. New World Warrior is done in
draft form and now in the hands of Bill for his cut. I don't expect we'll have
a finished version at Fall In but *will* have them online in pdf format in
December (remember, New World Warrior is free). You can look at the army names
and dates at our web site. I have just begun work on Feudal Warrior and I'm
beginning to think our March 2003 publication target is optimistic but who
knows.

Scott
List Ho

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 10/15/2002 10:45:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, cncbump writes:

> I'm not sure if it was already said, but we could
> easily have sold 4 rules sets and presumably copies of each
> army list had we
> had them.

It was said. But I am not sure why. Did you ask for some to sell for us and
not get some? Do your local stores not know who to go to?

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 10/15/2002 12:55:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, cncbump writes:

> and were politely rebuffed.
> Something about who assumes the risk etc.

by one of us??

People were drooling at the tourny, not just looking drooling as well.






>From: cncbump@...
>Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Border Wars FW Tourney, Lists, Fall In
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:45:44 EDT
>
>Coincidentally,
>
>We were also the largest tournament at FWW. We also had two players fall
>out
>leaving us with 8 and John Green complained afterwards when he was called
>to
>be chastised that he never received the word, so who knows how many he
>might
>have brought with him. There were 8 DBMers but only ever 3 games at a time
>and the WAB thing never materialized. We had a couple of guys who came by
>and made snyde remarks, but they were far outnumbered by those who came
>back
>for multiple passes. I'm not sure if it was already said, but we could
>easily have sold 4 rules sets and presumably copies of each army list had
>we
>had them. We also had the benefit of occuppying pretty much the middle of
>the playing area. No reason we will not be able to grow by at least 50%
>next
>year.
>
>We play some 15 around here, but the emphasis is heavy on 25's. From
>Twistercon and now FWW we have definitely confirmed in our minds that it
>attracts the most attention. even our most stalwart 15 advocate is now
>painting his first, and we all know once you've had one....., and therfore
>likely not his last 25 army. 3-D Terrain goes a Looooooooong way aswell.
>Pat received several compliments on his boards and they were not as nice as
>those that Tim made for Pointcon earlier this year. Attractive terrain
>goes
>along way as a draw to new players. Despite some minor grumblings we are
>pretty well convinced that pre-set terrain is the way to go. I was sold
>when
>I saw the modeling work that can be achieved by the guys at Pointcon and
>have
>been pushing for the same efforts here. Not much convincing required.
>
>It was nice to have a game shop approach us rather than our having to sell
>the idea to him.
>Definitely looking forward to twistercon. Even Damour made a comment
>about
>possibly getting up for that!
>Chris


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