Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

Based on the LI example, and moving it to my heart-of-my-heart
Byzantines, I have come up with the following which is yet another ad-
nauseum HtH replacement example.

Bear with me on this everyone... John's new toy to play around with...

I think I have the rules down,
so this is really a set of tactics questions.
Is this the kind of thing HtH replacement could be used for?
Is it the best thing for the Byzantines to do
finding themselves in this situation?

I hope I am least learning something about the rules and acquiring a
new tactical tool. The flip side will be making sure to only use it
when it is best.

The example...

KKK
KKK Frankish knights 2E Irr B HK L, Sh

LLLLLL Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers 4E Reg D LC B, 1/2 Sh
LLLLLL

HHH Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancers 2E Reg C/D HC L, Sh
HHH

The Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers prep shoot.
8@+3 (B v HK)
8@+3=20 /6=3 CPF

The Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers take 1 shooting FP.
The Frankish knights take 3 FP, are disordered, and must charge
unprompted or else waver test.

The Frankish knights forego the waver test and happily charge the
Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers impetuously, hoping to actually chase
evaders and toast the waiting Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancers who are
probably no match straight up counter-charging impetuous knights even
if the knights are disordered and tired on contact (?).

Unexpectedly the Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers (not in skirmish
though they do not tactically need to be in this case) do not evade
or even counter-charge the now-disordered Frankish kngihts, but
rather stand to receive so they can fully support shoot.

The Frankish knights take 2 FP for mounted charging, 1 FP for
charging impetuously and 1 FP for knights charging. This totals 7 FP
and the Frankish knights do indeed hit the Byzantine Kavallarioi
tired as well as disordered.

The Kav Archers do get a support shot taking a second shooting FP.
8@+3 (B v HK)
-2 (contact)
8@+1=12 /6=2 CPF for HtH factor

The Frankish knights fight HtH.
5@+5 (L v LC) +1 (charge) +2 (impetuous)
-2 (support shot CPF) -1 (disordered loose) -1 (tired)
5@+4=12 /8=1 CPF

The Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers fight back.
2@+1 (other cav v HK)
2@+1=3 +12/6=2 CPF

The Frankish knights take 2 more FP for a total of 9 FP.
The Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers take their first 1 FP.

Since the Byzantine Kavallarioi Archers took 1 CPF and double HtH
they are disordered.

The Frankish knights received more casualties (HtH plus support
shooting) and 1 CPF so must either break off or recoil. Knowing they
will be very likely be caught and broken by the enemy LC, the
Frankish knights choose to recoil and remain facing their adversaries.

The next bound the Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancers are prompted to
charge interpenetrating their Archers and replacing them in HtH.

The Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancers take their first 2 FP for mounted
charging.

Interpenetrating in a charge and interpenetrating a disordered body
both cause the Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancers to become disordered.
They are not Roman legionaries!

The Frankish knights do not get a charge response as they are "in HtH"
and are not only in contact with broken troops.

The Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancers fight HtH.
5@+2 (L v HK) +1 (charge)
-1 (disordered loose)
5@+2=10 /6=1 CPF

The Frankish knights fight back.
3@+3 (other cav v HC)
-1 (disordered loose) -1 (tired)
3@+1=4 /6=0 CPF

The Frankish knights take 1 more FP for a total of 10 FP.
The Byzantine Kavalarioi Lancers take no further FP.

The Frankish knights took double casualties and 1 CPF so are
disordered again.
This causes an automatic waver test.

The Frankish knights must recoil or break off.

Next bound if this is kept up the Byzantines would expand on follow-
up and be
6@+1 (other cav v HK) +1 (following-up)
-1 (disordered loose)
6@+1=9 /6=1 CPF

So they will keep forcing the Frankish knights to test wavers and
eventually will exhaust them while incurring no further fatigue
themselves. The Byzantines stay disordered but are at least going to
remain fresh at 2 FP.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "J. Murphy" <jjmurphy@s...>
wrote:

John,

My only question is why the Byzantines would be stacked in such a way
that the lancers would need to charge through LC?

Is this an example of a game?

[John Murphy]

No, Buyd, just a misguided attempt to translate the LI replacement
tactic to LC for use by Byzantine Kavallarioi Lancer/Archer
combinations. For a variety of reasons, principally there being a
better way to deal with the very tightly constrained situation but
also a rules goof on my part, it simply did not work out.

In my Byzantine mindset I am always looking for ways to perform
tactics or even gimmicks from horseback that other armies do on foot,
even though yes they have their own good LI and plenty of it - I just
always seem to have the lancers operating more closely with the LC
and in fact someday this will be my first starting point with playing
with the detachment rules. But that is a long way from now.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Wanax Andron"
<spocksleftball@y...> wrote:
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "J. Murphy" <jjmurphy@s...>
> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> My only question is why the Byzantines would be stacked in such a
way
> that the lancers would need to charge through LC?
>
> Is this an example of a game?