Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

If your charge move after an evader carries you into another body, it was in
the charge path. Euclid tells us so.

Please do not tell me you have found a situation where a second body is not
in the charge path but can be hit by a body following evaders. That would be
like gap lines across the fronts of shoulders.

:)

[joncleaves]

Lights about to hit an uncovered ilegal target stop at 40p. I'll look and
see where this is missing.

[Don Coon]

6.163 declaring charges. Ok so lets say I (Reg LHI- JLS+Sh) declare a
charge on some LI 60p away and angled slightly to me. Very near the LI but
not "covered" by the LI is another enemy body. Ok so I charge and the LI
evades. I do my best to follow, but my charge move carries me into the
second enemy body. What do I do? He was not uncovered, so my declared
charge on the LI does not count as declared on him. I cant claim "multiple
charge target" status on him, because he was not a legal charge target (fit
problems) at declaration. So here I am cruising up to this enemy and I am
going to make contact. Is it a charge? (we do not think so per the rules).
Do I touch him but count as not in contact? Do I pull up short (how short?)

Same issue different verse. If I am LI and I declare on enemy LI and he
uncovers an LMI enemy I can not charge the LMI even though they are
uncovered because LI can not charge LMI frontaly. Cool. Si where does my
LI stop moving? The rules say nothing. They just say I can not charge into
the LMI, nothing about when to stop.

Don

[joncleaves]

I will get to this one after the 12th also. Don't see the problem, but have
to give it a detailed look and there won't be one of those for another 7 days.
Jon

[joncleaves]

Don and all -

The whole charge at evaders section needs to rewritten - we still ahve guys
thinking this is a pursuit!!
I'll get the new version up here in a week or so - will address this issue
then.

[Don Coon]

> If your charge move after an evader carries you into another body, it was
in
> the charge path. Euclid tells us so.
>
> Please do not tell me you have found a situation where a second body is
not
> in the charge path but can be hit by a body following evaders. That would
be
> like gap lines across the fronts of shoulders.

Ah Euclid, the father of modern geometry. I like him. I know the first
body was in the charge path. I thought I was clear on that. If you look at
my post you will see however that the body, while in the charge path, was
not a legal target to declare a charge on becuase before the LI evade off,
the chargers would not fit. The body in the charge path is not uncovered,
and was not a legal target at declaration, and per the rules I can only
charge bodies legal at declaration, or UNCOVERED targets. What is my
charger to do?

Don

[Don Coon]

> I will get to this one after the 12th also. Don't see the problem, but
have
> to give it a detailed look and there won't be one of those for another 7
days.
> Jon

Ok. One more attempt at clarification. See your 1.26 uncovered diagram.
Imagine unit B is facing 90 from where you have it. (like pointing up to the
top of the page). Make it a 1X2 body. Scoot body C to the left (closer to
unit B). Noe take the rear element of unit A and put in in the front rank
on the right hand side. A charges B, B evades up the page, A wheels 45
degrees to try to follow B, after the wheel it move forward the rest of its
charge move. It WILL carry into unit C. Unit C is NOT uncovered and can be
a charge target. Does Unit A stop? Does unit A get to count unit C as
charged?

I still think (as we all do here) that you guys (the everyone else you refer
to when it seem N Texas is the only ones not getting it) KNOW how to resolve
the situations we talk about, but the rules do not say what you are doing.

Don

[Patrick Byrne]

I have added a picture jpeg on the Warrior group site. I hope this helps dipict
the charging at evaders that may or may not carry into another non-"uncovered"
body.
-PB

DONALD COON wrote:

> > I will get to this one after the 12th also. Don't see the problem, but
> have
> > to give it a detailed look and there won't be one of those for another 7
> days.
> > Jon
>
> Ok. One more attempt at clarification. See your 1.26 uncovered diagram.
> Imagine unit B is facing 90 from where you have it. (like pointing up to the
> top of the page). Make it a 1X2 body. Scoot body C to the left (closer to
> unit B). Noe take the rear element of unit A and put in in the front rank
> on the right hand side. A charges B, B evades up the page, A wheels 45
> degrees to try to follow B, after the wheel it move forward the rest of its
> charge move. It WILL carry into unit C. Unit C is NOT uncovered and can be
> a charge target. Does Unit A stop? Does unit A get to count unit C as
> charged?
>
> I still think (as we all do here) that you guys (the everyone else you refer
> to when it seem N Texas is the only ones not getting it) KNOW how to resolve
> the situations we talk about, but the rules do not say what you are doing.
>
> Don
>
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[joncleaves]

Pat
Same deal here.  I KNOW that we are going to expand the section on charges at evaders.