Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Dear Jon,

Had HC unit facing enemy LC somewhat offset to the HC's right. The
HC declares a non-impetuous charge path wheeling slightly to its
inside (left) flank, putting the flank of enemy LMI into the HC's
reach and charge path, although the LC partly blocks the charge
route.

Just want to confirm what happens:

The LMI declared their own impetuous charge, which is cancelled as a
charge has been declared against it as it is in the HC's charge path
(and the HC does not enter the LMI's charge path if it completes its
charge). The HC's impetuosity does not matter for this step.

If LC stands, HC fights LC. Though the LMI's charge has been
cancelled because of HC's declaration, it does not waver test as it
is not "responding to charge by mounted" until it is actually
charged. [Or does being declared against count as "being charged"?
If so, and the LMI were in skirmish, then they would need to decide
whether to stand or evade as a response at the same time as the LC.]

If LC evades to its own rear, the HC are non-impetuous so can
continue straight forward to hit the LMI in flank. At this point
the LMI waver tests as it is now "responding" to being charged by
mounted.

NOTE: The "Canceled Charges" condition "a charge is declared against
it by enemy not already in or moving into the part of the charge"
(p39) states something different than suggested by the "Charge Path"
cross-reference statement "enemy charges against the body that do
not enter the path cancel the chage" (p38).

Thanks,

Mike

[joncleaves]

Had HC unit facing enemy LC somewhat offset to the HC's right. The
HC declares a non-impetuous charge path wheeling slightly to its
inside (left) flank, putting the flank of enemy LMI into the HC's
reach and charge path, although the LC partly blocks the charge
route.

Just want to confirm what happens:

The LMI declared their own impetuous charge, which is cancelled as a
charge has been declared against it as it is in the HC's charge path
(and the HC does not enter the LMI's charge path if it completes its
charge). The HC's impetuosity does not matter for this step. >>
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This is going to be tough without a diagram, but the core issue here is that
when charging, you can make NO assumptions about what happens once the charge
actually goes off. If the HC charged and would hit the standing LC and that
would stop it from reaching the LMI, the LMI is NOT in charge reach. See 6.162,
which says:

" If the body
cannot legally declare a charge against a target or is prevented from doing so
by some obstacle such as terrain or an intervening body,
that target is not in the body's charge reach."

You can't assume the LC will evade - that charge has to work as though they are
where they are. It sounds to me like the HC would hit the LC and not be able to
reach the LMI, which means the LMI are not in charge reach and therefore not
eligible as a target of a charge declaration.

Jon

> You can't assume the LC will evade - that charge has to work as
though they are where they are. It sounds to me like the HC would
hit the LC and not be able to reach the LMI, which means the LMI are
not in charge reach and therefore not eligible as a target of a
charge declaration.<

OK, then if the combat direction has the HC/LC interaction occur
before the LMI charge, and the LC evade to their own rear and thus
out of the way, then the LMI are in the charge path, hence a charge
is deemed declared, the LMI waver test and respond, and the charge
goes in, right?

Thanks,

Mike

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/30/2004 18:12:21 Central Daylight Time,
mailtomikek@... writes:

OK, then if the combat direction has the HC/LC interaction occur
before the LMI charge, and the LC evade to their own rear and thus
out of the way, then the LMI are in the charge path, hence a charge
is deemed declared, the LMI waver test and respond, and the charge
goes in, right?>>

Yes.







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[Doug]

Mike,check your system clock. Your mail is being received by me
stamped about 5 hours in the future.