Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

here's the question:

1. Picture if you will a body that is disordered prior to HTH combat.
During combat, that unit recieves 4 CPF. Upon trying to recoil it backs
into its own unit (unable to recoil fully). Does the unit take 2 waiver
checks, one for receiving 3 CPF and one for the non-full recoil? I believe
it does, but am wanting to make sure.

here's the answer:

One waver test.
Multiple tests are taken if there is more than one type of test to take, and
more than one simultaneous cause of disorder is just that, not a second type of
test.

[joncleaves]

<<> Not to beat a dead horse, but: This means that a body receiving 3 CPF in
> HTH, and is then broken though would also only take one waver test as well.
> Break through, and not recoil fully are both combat causes of disorder and
> would therefore be treated the same in the two above examples. In playtest
> you told us Break throughs were a separate cause of disorder and caused
> another waver test. I am cool with your current answere, but it is
> different than last time (as pertaining to break throughs).>>

Yup, it is. We left the word 'each' in routing friends and kept it out of
second disorder deliberately. The thinking is that all that bad stuff that
happens to a unit in combat happens at the same time, but more than one friend
routing needs to be 'paid for'.

[joncleaves]

<<Are you trying to say that the already disordered unit takes one waiver test
for 3CPF and not able to fully recoil (?), but that if he received 3CPF and
was 'broken-through' that would be two waiver tests?>>

No. I am saying no matter how many 'ways' a body suffers second disorder from
combat in the same hth, it still only takes one waver for that particular cause.

[Don Coon]

> 1. Picture if you will a body that is disordered prior to HTH combat.
> During combat, that unit recieves 4 CPF. Upon trying to recoil it backs
> into its own unit (unable to recoil fully). Does the unit take 2 waiver
> checks, one for receiving 3 CPF and one for the non-full recoil? I
believe
> it does, but am wanting to make sure.
>
> here's the answer:
>
> One waver test.
> Multiple tests are taken if there is more than one type of test to take,
and more than one simultaneous cause of disorder is just that, not a second
type of test.

Not to beat a dead horse, but: This means that a body receiving 3 CPF in
HTH, and is then broken though would also only take one waver test as well.
Break through, and not recoil fully are both combat causes of disorder and
would therefore be treated the same in the two above examples. In playtest
you told us Break throughs were a separate cause of disorder and caused
another waver test. I am cool with your current answere, but it is
different than last time (as pertaining to break throughs).

Don

[Patrick Byrne]

I thought I knew what you answer meant, but after reading it multiple times,
I am confused. Could you clarify in another way?

Are you trying to say that the already disordered unit takes one waiver test
for 3CPF and not able to fully recoil (?), but that if he received 3CPF and
was 'broken-through' that would be two waiver tests?
-PB


> From: JonCleaves@...
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:40:25 EST
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Combat disorder and wavers
>
> here's the question:
>
> 1. Picture if you will a body that is disordered prior to HTH combat.
> During combat, that unit recieves 4 CPF. Upon trying to recoil it backs
> into its own unit (unable to recoil fully). Does the unit take 2 waiver
> checks, one for receiving 3 CPF and one for the non-full recoil? I believe
> it does, but am wanting to make sure.
>
> here's the answer:
>
> One waver test.
> Multiple tests are taken if there is more than one type of test to take, and
> more than one simultaneous cause of disorder is just that, not a second type
> of test.
>
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[Patrick Byrne]

Thanks,
Clear now.
-PB

> From: JonCleaves@...
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:10:16 EST
> To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Combat disorder and wavers
>
> <<Are you trying to say that the already disordered unit takes one waiver test
> for 3CPF and not able to fully recoil (?), but that if he received 3CPF and
> was 'broken-through' that would be two waiver tests?>>
>
> No. I am saying no matter how many 'ways' a body suffers second disorder from
> combat in the same hth, it still only takes one waver for that particular
> cause.
>
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[Don Coon]

> <<Are you trying to say that the already disordered unit takes one waiver
test
> for 3CPF and not able to fully recoil (?), but that if he received 3CPF
and
> was 'broken-through' that would be two waiver tests?>>
>
> No. I am saying no matter how many 'ways' a body suffers second disorder
from combat in the same hth, it still only takes one waver for that
particular cause.

I am CRYSTAL clear on this Jon. By the time this weekend passes our entire
group will be too (if they are not already).

Don