Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mike Bard]

I agree strongly with the visual appeal of the hobby. It's why I switched
back to 25mm -- I was running into too many people who, as far as I could
tell, couldn't care less about how their miniatures looked, or how accurate
they are. Now, I do understand that people need time to paint when starting
out, and do give newcomers time. But at major conventions and with players
who had been in the hobby for years, I have strong suspicions and fears of
people taking the army they took simply to win, not caring about the visual
appearance of the history.

As to markers... I do find it easier to use them for body states
(disorder/shaken/rout) and find them critical for indicating who is
rallying/recalling. I think the later two are almost vital necessities. I
have yet to find a visually appealing way to keep track of fatigue. The
best option I've heard of so far is to make a flaked base to match the army
and have two posts on the base. The first post holds the first 5 beads to
keep track up to 'tired', and the second post holds the next 10 beads. The
beads are added as required of course. I'm starting to think that something
like this is necessary as I play with people who record their fatigue
'later' and often accidently (and I strongly believe that this is not
intentional) forget to mark it down. Yes, it is information the other
player shouldn't have, but it might be necessary as a mneumonic aid.
Besides, there's nothing stopping a player from recording all fatigue for
enemy units as well as for his own. Fatigue causes are all public.

For the bored, you can see some samples of my current status markers at
http://www.deep-strike.com/gallery/ancients/markers.htm. Another proud Deep
Strike product.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy
(taking a break from painting historicals)

> Gents;
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> I've been remiss, since Border Wars, here in KC, in posting these
> comments and hopefully illiciting some feedback. Bear in mind, that
> I've yet to play a full Warrior game (soon to change), but did have
> a lot of experience with 6th/7th. These observations are based from
> the perspective of an objective observer that has familiarity with
> many tabletop ancient (and non-ancient) games.
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> Observation #1: I do not ever recall, when I played TOG and 6th,
> having the battlefield clutter that I observed at Border Wars. By
> that, I mean, it looked like someone had come along and dropped a
> scrabble game on many of tables. In some cases, the letters (which
> stood for Tired, Disordered, etc) dwarfed the figures on the table,
> and were even piled on top of the figures, making it look like a
> unit of T's was fighting a unit of D's. Very distracting for a
> casual observer, I thought.
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> We used to take great pride in the PUB of our ancient games played
> at our local club, HASA (Heart of America Society of Ancients). PUB
> stood for "prettying up the battlefield", and we used figures for
> casualties and disorder, used our unit rosters to track fatigue, and
> generally kept a pretty clean tabletop. We also used some pretty
> nifty terrain pieces, and our goal was to make the game as enjoyable
> to watch as it was to play.
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> I know I probably care too much about the aesthetics of the hobby,
> but I think IMHO there should be a nice balance, otherwise we should
> all play boardgames. This segways into my other observation, which
> is along the same vein as the first one:
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> Observation #2: In some of the games I saw, the figure morphing that
> was done was so extensive and exaggerated that you would not have
> been able to guess the army. I understand that it is sometimes
> necessary to use figures that are not what they appear to be, but
> geez, louise, I couldn't have guessed one particular army in a
> million years.
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> Again, I note, that I probably tend to want to see more eye candy,
> and the proper figs used with my games, (I want my Alexandrian
> phalanx to look like that-not landsknechts). I did overhear some
> casual observers in the dealer hall chuckling about some of the
> games. I think this can do more to dissuade someone from getting
> into the hobby/system, etc. than anything else.
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> Compare that to the Flames of War tourney that was run previous to
> the Warrior tourney-superbly painted and correctly presented
> figures. Great looking terrain and buildings. And, most, if not
> all the participants were the same in both tourneys. Go figure.
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> As one that is entering the Warrior world soon, I hope to play in
> some exciting, and challenging games, but ones that are also nice to
> look at and enjoy.
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> Regards,
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> Dave Smith
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[Doug]

>For the bored, you can see some samples of my current status markers at
>http://www.deep-strike.com/gallery/ancients/markers.htm. Another proud Deep
>Strike product.
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>Michael Bard

Very cool. But IMO the Rally figure should be waving a banner or
blowing a horn etc. You really don't need the words at all with the
consistant figure poses.

What's the status of the Platea project?
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Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

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that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress
shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every
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American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of
either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it
will ever remain, in the hands of the People."- Tench Coxe, 1788.
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[Mike Bard]

> >For the bored, you can see some samples of my current status markers at
> >http://www.deep-strike.com/gallery/ancients/markers.htm. Another proud
Deep
> >Strike product.
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> >Michael Bard

The problem with the banner idea is that Classical Greeks didn't use
banners.

Some other people have done the same thing with figures, and the same
consistent poses, but even they don't remember which is which. With the
writing there is no question, and even in a game with complete strangers it
is immediately obvious what the marker means.

As to the Rally/Rally Back figure, I needed to differentiate the two. I
decided that rallying in place involved less physical reorganization then
rallying back, and so gave the lesser figure (the commander) to the Rally
marker.

As to Platea, I haven't forgotten. I have a rough list for 2500pts or so a
side (which fits roughly into the figure availability that I've gathered)
and am working on painting Greeks and have convinced somebody else here to
paint Persians.

Michael Bard
That Greek Hoplite Guy

> Very cool. But IMO the Rally figure should be waving a banner or
> blowing a horn etc. You really don't need the words at all with the
> consistant figure poses.
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> What's the status of the Platea project?
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> Doug
> The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes
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> "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then,
> that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress
> shall have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every
> other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an
> American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of
> either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it
> will ever remain, in the hands of the People."- Tench Coxe, 1788.
> http://www.constitution.org/mil/cs_milit.htm
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