Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

<< I am running a tournament this weekend and want to run it with all the
latest interps, however with all the email, I am a little confused, what is
the latest ruling on conducting a waver test when a shaken unit breaks.>>

No one ever takes a waver when a unit breaks. Nor have they ever been
supposed to. Bodies take wavers for seeing friends ROUT. ROUT, ROUT, ROUT.

<< Does the surrounding units within 120 paces check waver immediately or do
they wait until the end of the bound and check waver.>>

They take a waver when the body routs. Routs, routs, routs.

If a body routs because it is broken and charged and not in contact already,
an immediate waver will be taken in the charge phase.

If a body is broken and makes its rout move in the hand-tohand combat phase,
immediate wavers will be taken by friends that can see it within 120p then.

<< Example:

A B C
D E

Unit D and E charge A and B respectfully
Assuming HTH resolution is right to left
E Breaks B
Assuming that A & C are within 120 paces, do A and C check waver now or do
they wait until B moves at the end of the bound>>

When E breaks B, B will rout. It will rout before the A-D combat is resolved
due to combat direction. therefore A and C (if within 120p) will take wavers
before A-D fight.

Here's the rule for routing/wavering in the hth phase:

"Complete one combat situation at a time before moving on to the next,
including waver tests and initial rout moves, in the direction determined in
8.11. A combat situation is a group of bodies interlinked in hand-to-hand
combat.
Each combat situation and its effects are resolved in the following sequence
before proceeding to the next:
· Adjudicate support shooting casualties (8.9).
· Apply cohesion, fatigue and waver test results of support shooting (11.2).
· Adjudicate hand-to-hand combat casualties (9.4).
· Apply cohesion, fatigue and waver test results of hand-to-hand combat
(11.2).
· Perform combat results moves (Recoils/follow-ups, Breakthroughs,
Break-offs/routs/pursuits) (6.3, 11.2).
· Take waver tests for seeing routing units, if any (5.141)."

Jon

[Harlan Garrett]

Jon and group,
 
I am running a tournament this weekend and want to run it with all the latest interps, however with all the email, I am a little confused, what is the latest ruling on conducting a waver test when a shaken unit breaks.  Does the surrounding units within 120 paces check waver immediately or do they wait until the end of the bound and check waver.
 
Example:
 
A   B   C
D   E
 
Unit D and E charge A and B respectfully
Assuming HTH resolution is right to left
E Breaks B
Assuming that A & C are within 120 paces, do A and C check waver now or do they wait until B moves at the end of the bound
 
Eagerly waiting your response.
 
 
Harlan D. Garrett
(817) 608-0727 (Home)

HarlanG@AirMail.Net (Home)
 

[Don Coon]

JonCleaves@... wrote:
>
> << I am running a tournament this weekend and want to run it with all the
> latest interps, however with all the email, I am a little confused, what is
> the latest ruling on conducting a waver test when a shaken unit breaks.>>
>
> No one ever takes a waver when a unit breaks. Nor have they ever been
> supposed to. Bodies take wavers for seeing friends ROUT. ROUT, ROUT, ROUT.

> If a body routs because it is broken and charged and not in contact already,
> an immediate waver will be taken in the charge phase.

But Jon I think you are still not seeing Harlans real question. When a
shaken unit is charged and fails its waver it breaks. We all agree on
that. However does it rout RIGHT NOW due to being broken and charged,
or in its turn in HTH resolution. You appear to say the unit waits until
combat sequence to rout, and I am cool with that. The sticky part of
this whole thing for us is that according to the rules of waver, the
shaken unit tests as soon as the charge is declared and found to be
legal. Given this, the skaken unit which breaks as a result of this
failed waver test, would be broken when charged, and should rout in the
chrage phase not the combat phase. I asked this question about a week
ago and got no response. Harlan I think is asking it again.

We are all clear up here that ROUTS cause waver checks (we had been
playing incorrectly for a long time, but that was our fault not the
rules - the rules are crystal clear on this point). IN the shaken
example we just want to be sure when the rout happens.

Sorry for the terseness of my recent posts, but I am a ref in the
tourny, and want to get it right. I am running out of time and getting
anxious for answeres.

Don

[joncleaves]

>> If a body routs because it is broken and charged and not in contact
already,
> an immediate waver will be taken in the charge phase.

<< But Jon I think you are still not seeing Harlans real question. When a
shaken unit is charged and fails its waver it breaks. >>

True.

<<However does it rout RIGHT NOW due to being broken and charged,
or in its turn in HTH resolution.>>

Right now. 3.2 Charge Phase d. Rout moves for broken troops who are not in
contact.

This one type of rout move is not in the hth phase, it is in the charge phase.

<< The sticky part of
this whole thing for us is that according to the rules of waver, the
shaken unit tests as soon as the charge is declared and found to be
legal. Given this, the skaken unit which breaks as a result of this
failed waver test, would be broken when charged, and should rout in the
chrage phase not the combat phase. I asked this question about a week
ago and got no response.>>

I have answered this question twice before this week alone. Here's a quote
from one of those mails (7 Nov):

"A shaken unit is charged. It takes a waver test immediately. It fails. It
is now broken. Broken troops that are charged make their rout move in the
charge phase (unless already in contact)."

Sorry for any confusion, but I have answered this one too many times not to
start getting a little snippy myself.

Happy faces all around! Good luck with your tourney.

Jon

[Don Coon]

JonCleaves@... wrote:


> I have answered this question twice before this week alone. Here's a quote
> from one of those mails (7 Nov):
>
> "A shaken unit is charged. It takes a waver test immediately. It fails. It
> is now broken. Broken troops that are charged make their rout move in the
> charge phase (unless already in contact)."
>
> Sorry for any confusion, but I have answered this one too many times not to
> start getting a little snippy myself.
>
> Happy faces all around! Good luck with your tourney.

Again thanks for the help and the patience. We do not see all the
private mail you get and have no idea the redundancy you must face.
From your point of view, it must really be a whip sometimes. Sorry for
contributing to the headaches. I am really just trying for a better
game, I have no hidden aganda here. Hang in there bud, Warrior is a
great game, and soon it will be out (and you army list headaches can
start).

Don