Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Just to put thing in perspective, the following is the current lists
of WRG that suffer a disadvantage under the 1.5 rank L rules. These
lists contain specific troop types as a compulsory minimum.

Yes, I know Warrior will have it's own lists but at least this is a
foreshadow for the lists horse of ones to watch for, especally if the
first lists are based on the Yellow Book 1 as there are two lists in
there that need to be looked at.

As for not allowing charging shooters to fight H-T-H in the first
bound, this handicaps the HC L,B troops but not knights or purely L
armed cav. It is better to change the list rather than fiddle with
the mechanics. eg. If front rank cav type is L armed (or can be
uparmed to L) then allow 1.5 ranks to fight REGARDLESS of rear rank
weapon type. After all, you are going to allow this for previous
wedge forming foot who are not armed with a weapon type that would
normally allow for 1.5 ranks - ie 2HCW for Huscarls, berserks etc.
This can be added to the LIST rather than to the RULES.

Cheers

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Blue Books.
List 91 Maurikian Byzantine
Reg B Kataphraktoi 1/2 each unit EHC L,Sh, 1/2 HC B min
23 figures.

List 99 Thematic Byzantine
Rec C Kataphraktoi 1/2 each unit EHC L,Sh, 1/2 HC B
min 33 figures.

List 117 Nikephorian Byzantine
Reg B Tagmatic Kataphraktoi 1/2 each unit EHC L,Sh, 1/2 EHC B
min 11 figures

Thematic Kataphraktoi 1/2 each unit HC L,Sh, 1/2 HC B
optional troops.

7th Edition lists.

List 39 New Assyrian
Kissar Sherruti cav Reg B MC
1/2 each unit JLS or L, Sh, rest B.
Min 12 figures.
NOTE: Can be upgraded to HC and to EHC (all or none)

List 50 Chaldean or Neo-Babylonian
Pithallu Reg C MC
1/2 each unit JLS,B , 1/2 B.
Min 12 figures
NOTE: can upgrade JLS to L. Can upgrade MC to EHC.

Various Mongol lists
List 121 Goldern Hoard Tartars
List 122 Ilkanid
List 124 Yuan Mongols
List 129 Timurid
All these have Reg C HC B min 24 figures. Can add L 0 - 1/2

[Don Coon]

Various Mongol lists
List 121 Goldern Hoard Tartars
List 122 Ilkanid
List 124 Yuan Mongols
List 129 Timurid
All these have Reg C HC B min 24 figures. Can add L 0 - 1/2

Interesting you see it this way. We found the Yuan Mongols got more potent
in the 1.5 ranks world. Pre 1.5 ranks they fought 3 fig w/ L and 3 with B
(Many of the Yuans are L+B). Now they fight 5 L and 3 B. The troops you
listed above as compulsary are no worse off than before, and our resident
Yuan player plays them as 2 bodies of 6 figs with L, and 1 body of 12 figs
with B. I do not see the "bombing" effect you allude to.

Don

[Patrick Byrne]

Scott & Jon,
Will lists be published for beta-testing? If you are asking everyone to put in
their historical input, maybe we should see the changes already being made, and
that would ease concerns and raise good historical arguements. Scott, as a
suggestion, issue an e-mail on how you would like people to suggest list
issues.

Steve Honeyman,
I would like to say that I appreciate your taking the time to be proactive in
listing army lists which may have problems under new rules constraints. I
would recommend all those who have disagreements with portions in the rules
(ie, morale, "wedging", etc) spend their time more productively by offering
suggestions for list rules.

Don,
I think that Steve believes we play were this phrase, "can add L 0-1/2" means
that a UNIT is forced to have 1/2L,B and 1/2 B (if purchased). Since it didn't
say specifically that the unit must be '1/2L,B and 1/2B' like it does in other
lists, I intentionally do not buy it that way.

I definately would prefer rear rank L vs. rear rank B if given a choice when
charging. But thankfully I get both (the rear rank just usually ends up 3@0 or
3@-1 and does not seem worth the roll of the dice most of the time).
-PB



Donald Coon wrote:

> Various Mongol lists
> List 121 Goldern Hoard Tartars
> List 122 Ilkanid
> List 124 Yuan Mongols
> List 129 Timurid
> All these have Reg C HC B min 24 figures. Can add L 0 - 1/2
>
> Interesting you see it this way. We found the Yuan Mongols got more potent
> in the 1.5 ranks world. Pre 1.5 ranks they fought 3 fig w/ L and 3 with B
> (Many of the Yuans are L+B). Now they fight 5 L and 3 B. The troops you
> listed above as compulsary are no worse off than before, and our resident
> Yuan player plays them as 2 bodies of 6 figs with L, and 1 body of 12 figs
> with B. I do not see the "bombing" effect you allude to.
>
> Don
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Don,
Yes. Well spotted.
I admit I was only looking at the "traditional" front rank L,B,Sh /
rear rank B. Since there is no restriction on how the Mongol units
can be arranged, it would be better to use L/B armed units and
seperate B armed units. Never having run Mongols, I didn't think
"outside the box" but got caught in the "1/2 unit armed with.... 1/2
unit armed with...." mode like the Byzantine EHC / HC etc.

Cheers

--- In WarriorRules@y..., Donald Coon <jendon@f...> wrote:
> Various Mongol lists
> List 121 Goldern Hoard Tartars
> List 122 Ilkanid
> List 124 Yuan Mongols
> List 129 Timurid
> All these have Reg C HC B min 24 figures. Can add L 0 - 1/2
>
> Interesting you see it this way. We found the Yuan Mongols got more
potent
> in the 1.5 ranks world. Pre 1.5 ranks they fought 3 fig w/ L and 3
with B
> (Many of the Yuans are L+B). Now they fight 5 L and 3 B. The
troops you
> listed above as compulsary are no worse off than before, and our
resident
> Yuan player plays them as 2 bodies of 6 figs with L, and 1 body of
12 figs
> with B. I do not see the "bombing" effect you allude to.
>
> Don