Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

RUNIED FIGS !!!!

Here is an old trick that us "OLD" model builders discovered......
A short background.... In the 1960's a company named Jo-Han used to build
plastic model cars for the auto manufacturers (dealers). Kind of a promo thing
to show potential customers the next years models , as the industry was always
churning out new styles every two years. As time passed these sloppy built
models ( built by peeps at the dealers usually) became valuable in the fact that
Jo-Han was out of business and where else cuold one get a 1966 Rambler or so on.
Hmmm now that you have this model how do you get the paint off without ruining
the plastic model ???? easy or should I say EASY OFF Oven cleaner. Not
sure how it will work the Armory gunk, but it cuts laquer based paint and chrome
off of plastic. It stinks, its actually obnoxious and messy. Spray it on in a
controlled environment and let is set , may need to set several hours and worse
case is its not as effective on enamel. I know of other solvents too, but not
sure of their affect on lead/white metal.

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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
2. Fall In
From: "craigshar2"
3. RE: Priming
From: "Scott & Tracie McCoppin"
4. Fall In Format Suggestion
From: "jamiewgiii"
5. Scott Dickson/Thistle and Rose
From: Todd Kaeser
6. Re: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
7. Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
8. Re: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?
From: JonCleaves@...
9. Re: Mantlets.
From: JonCleaves@...


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:11:58 +0100 (BST)
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
Subject: Re: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?

Thanks I think I will - will be definitely cheaper than gas over here!

dragonsmogg wrote: --Hi, I thought maybe a simple responce best here,I've played
all
sorts of games(historical and fantasy, sci fi ect)since I can
remember remembering! None offer the type of game you have here.
The above responces are all very true and I agree 100% with all of
them. I think the number of questions posted to this site are
remarkably few givin that the world has access too it and they come
from every corner of it,for a reletively dificult game! In short, I
think that Warrior is an easier book to read and reference and for
the first time supported impressively. For the most part, questions
in tourney play are usually judgement calls you need a 3rd party for.
My biggest reason for you is less technical and more personal. Of
all the games I've played, this is the one I come back too and enjoy
the most. I'd give it a shot! It's cheaper than gas!
Matt



- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:48:12 -0000
From: "craigshar2"
Subject: Fall In

Folks,

Is Warrior scheduled for Fall In? If so, what tournament formats?
Thanks in advance.

Craig






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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:44 -0400
From: "Scott & Tracie McCoppin"
Subject: RE: Priming

Priming is something I take VERY seriously – because like you, I have ruined
figs with the wrong product or the wrong technique…

I prime using Rust-o-leum Flat Black. It has a fine texture (no grit) and
great coverage. Another reason I use it is the fact that it is very durable
and gives great protection to my figs when in use. I have also experimented
(with some success) with the Rust-O-leum Camouflage Brown. The coverage isn
’t as good, but once complete the shade is great for dirty barbarians! It
just takes some extra passes (which adds about a day to my painting
process)…predominantly Steel armor or cooler colors (blues, etc.) – prime
with black. Warmer colors (reds, yellows, oranges, etc.) use the brown –
you won’t regret it.

I usually take several passes (lightly each time) from as many angles as I
possibly can. I allow them to dry completely before adding another coat –
which is usually after I have turned them upside down and sideways, etc, to
insure good coverage. Most importantly – DO NOT start or stop spraying on
your figs…keep the can moving at all times and move past the figs before
stopping (or starting). I have great luck with this and have not lost any
details (or figs.).

Just my 2 cents…good luck!


-----Original Message-----
From: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of cncbump
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:18 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] Priming

I have ruined another batch and the last batch of figs by ever using
armory primer again. I have given this $%*&% product multiple passes
and tried every hint I can find on line about distance from the figs,
length of shaking the can etc. I will never use this stuff again and
have 1.5 large cans that anyone can have for just the cost of postage.

having said that, what are others using? Actually, what are others
using with consistent success?
Thanks,
Chris




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:38:16 -0000
From: "jamiewgiii"
Subject: Fall In Format Suggestion

Phil,

I have a suggestion for the Fall In format. This is sure to get
the tournament going fast.

4'X 6' Tables
2 Terrain Picks
1200 Point Armies
18" Rear Zone
The first Player Pair to finish a round get 1 point each added to
their total score
The last Player Pair to finish a round get 1 point each subtracted
form their total score.

I am interested to see how this hand grenade goes off.

Erin Bobraugh.

Jamie
Jamie Gentry








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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:15:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Kaeser
Subject: Scott Dickson/Thistle and Rose

Looking for Scott Dickson's email. Rumor has it he has some Thistle and Rose
figures. I'm looking to trade/buy some of them.

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?t=10273

Thanks,

Todd K


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0100 (BST)
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
Subject: Re: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?

Many thanks

Decided to assess the rules and compare to some ideas we have - will see what
pans out

Cheers

Keith

p.s. I have a mate in Perth who used to wargame ancients quite keenly - are
there any groups there that you know of?

Adrian Williams wrote:
This is the forum for rules questions - this is where the whole
world's rules questions come.

In particular, when questions come from Australia we may have just
held a three day tournament with 20 players and all the questions
are collated by the umpire and asked at once - even then there are
not too many.

I am playing a game or two a week plus about 5 tournaments annually
at the moment and I find Warrior to be very fast playing once
mastered and rules queries more and more unusual all the time.

I started playing 7th in 1990 when I was 13-14 and in that time
Warrior has been the thing that has improved playability most -
having someone to answer questions quickly, and prepare a better
format rules in the first place.

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:27:12 +0100 (BST)
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
Subject: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?

Thanks for the update

I have to admit our initial thoughts are deviating away from the WRG path but
will get a set to give us a suitable comparison - haven't found anything else
suitable yet! We an then decide which way we are heading - importantly we have a
number on non-Ancient and non-intellectual players who need to grasp the rules
fairly quickly

Hope you get your 2 cents

Kind Regards

Keith
Christian and Sarah wrote:
Dear Keith,
Here's a few reasons why it is better to buy Warrior.

1) Across the board, Warrior is an improved version of 7th Ed. I
think 7th was a work in progress that was never completed (folks, shout
me down if you like) and that Warrior is gradually "filling in the
blanks." It is easier to play, there are fewer loopholes, and I find it
a satisfactory to excellent (depending on time period) simulation of
ancient warfare AND the best intellectual challenge in the gaming
world, bar none.

2) People all over the world play Warrior in a standardized
format. This matters. If you visit a club in the UK, US, Canda, etc,
you can be assured of a good game in the same rules you play at home.
[I visit the UK every year for salmon fishing--who knows, I might go to
Man for a game.]

3) Most clubs have house rules for 7th/Warrior CAMPAIGNS and I'd
never decry them. But it's good to play a set of standardized rules.
Among other things, this list is the most responsive tool for
player/writer interaction that I know of--if you play warrior and
something doesn't seem right, you'll actually get an answer.

I hope this unpaid advertising wasn't too sacherine. But I'm an
enthusiast. I played 6th and 7th. I left 7th to play DBM, and it
finally bored me too much to play anymore. Warrior has plugged the ugly
holes and is easier to play and teach to beginners.

More than my usual 2 cents.

C. Cameron




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:41:28 -0400
From: JonCleaves@...
Subject: Re: Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?

Welcome, Keith. I specifically did not respond to your question, because, as the
designer, I didn't want you to be turned off by what could rightly have been
perceived as the 'company hack' response. Happily, and somewhat anticipated, our
players said it all.

However, I am here for any further questions you may have.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: KEITH CHARNLEY
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:31:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: 7th Edition & Warrior - a major improvement?


Many thanks

Decided to assess the rules and compare to some ideas we have - will see what
pans out

Cheers

Keith

p.s. I have a mate in Perth who used to wargame ancients quite keenly - are
there any groups there that you know of?

Adrian Williams wrote:
This is the forum for rules questions - this is where the whole
world's rules questions come.

In particular, when questions come from Australia we may have just
held a three day tournament with 20 players and all the questions
are collated by the umpire and asked at once - even then there are
not too many.

I am playing a game or two a week plus about 5 tournaments annually
at the moment and I find Warrior to be very fast playing once
mastered and rules queries more and more unusual all the time.

I started playing 7th in 1990 when I was 13-14 and in that time
Warrior has been the thing that has improved playability most -
having someone to answer questions quickly, and prepare a better
format rules in the first place.

Adrian Williams

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "keithcharnley"
wrote:
> Hi I have been wargaming for 30 years now and have played Ancients
> for the last twenty via the WRG route (inc DBA). Having played 7th
> Edition extensively and then dropped them for DBA as a welcome
> relief I managed to get our diversified group here on the Isle of
> Man to re-look at Ancient wargaming. We choose to re-evaluate 7th
> and to be fair my nerves were in a bit of a tangle once I had
> tabularised the rules. Had another go at it and it was okay but
> still did not have the feel of ancients - too bitty. Great
> individual rules or concepts in 7th it has to said which is why we
> continued originally for several years. Having observed this site
> for the last few months and I was concerned about the number of
> queries coming out over basic rules which has stopped me from
> ordering my own set - if Warrior is a major improvement why are
> there still similar queries that were around with 7th?. Instead we
> are trying to develop our own set that excludes the need for
lawyers
> in attendance. Can anyone (not everyone) persuade me why I should
> have a set of Warrior - i.e. is it so fundementally better than
7th?
>
> Looking forward to a favourable reply
>
> Kind regards
>
> Keith Charnley




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:41:55 -0400
From: JonCleaves@...
Subject: Re: Mantlets.


<<1. Like Pavise, do B armed shooters behind a mantlet count shieldless?>>
No. See 7.4.

<<2. The Mantlet is described as providing cover for 2 shooters. How does
this work on the table. Can you for example buy them for every 2nd element
in the front rank of a unit and have the entire unit in cover?>>
That is a typo. You must buy and employ mantlets on a full element basis.
This will be corrected in the revised rulebook.


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