Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

Jon,

You are right, I have just never used support shooting from rear ranks of
chargers who don't make contact because it seems to be a wasted shot. You
are completely correct that it is how it has always been. We have just never
wasted the shot and when new guys come and want to do it the response is
"what is this?" Sorry.

Chris

[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 6/29/00 8:34:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
WarriorRules@egroups.com writes:

<< Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:57:14 -0000
From: "Paul Dobbins" <psdobbins@...>
Subject: Re: scythed chariots

I'm assuming Scott was talking in shorthand, i.e. since the context
of the e-mail traffic was the SHC from the Late Roman list, he was
stating that the cataphract scythed chariots from the Late Roman list
have been dropped, and not scythed chariots in general. I see no
reason to bag all scythed chariots, especially my beloved Late
Achaemenid Persian ones.

>>
I assume the same to be the case. The LIR scythed chariots always seemed
suspect, but I don't think the same of the others. I hope Scott was just
referring to the LIR version.

Chris

[joncleaves]

<< You are right, I have just never used support shooting from rear ranks of
chargers who don't make contact because it seems to be a wasted shot. You
are completely correct that it is how it has always been. We have just
never
wasted the shot and when new guys come and want to do it the response is
"what is this?" Sorry. >>

Absolutely no need to be sorry. It was a good question (as they all are) and
I have no problem answering.

Shooting with a charger that does not make contact is a rather esoteric
point, but it can be useful.

Jon

[Phil Gardocki]

We always allowed a third party to shoot from behind the final flank, It can
be devastating because there is no -2.
It came up recently in one of mine as a unit of 12, tired, EHC,B was running
down a 6 man, tired, evading CIC, HC unit. Even though I was tired, and
charging, I was putting 2-3 cpf per charge on him sending the enemy CIC into
exhaustion.

Philip Gardocki

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-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Coon <jendon@...>
To: WarriorRules@egroups.com <WarriorRules@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Digest Number 19


>JonCleaves@... wrote:
>>
>> << You are right, I have just never used support shooting from rear ranks
of
>> chargers who don't make contact because it seems to be a wasted shot.
You
>> are completely correct that it is how it has always been. We have just
>> never
>> wasted the shot and when new guys come and want to do it the response is
>> "what is this?" Sorry. >>
>>
>> Absolutely no need to be sorry. It was a good question (as they all are)
and
>> I have no problem answering.
>>
>> Shooting with a charger that does not make contact is a rather esoteric
>> point, but it can be useful.
>As long as we are on the subject, can a third body, not the chargers or
>the charged, shoot at the chargers when the chargers do not make
>contact? This could happen if the third body wound up behind the
>chargers final flank. 8.8 seems to allow this and I know it would be
>rare, but it looks legal. Is it?
>
>Don
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[joncleaves]

<<As long as we are on the subject, can a third body, not the chargers or the
charged, shoot at the chargers when the chargers do not make
contact? This could happen if the third body wound up behind the chargers final
flank. 8.8 seems to allow this and I know it would be rare, but it looks legal.
Is it?>>

Yes. I agree with you that it is rare, but I have seen (done) it.
Note that this is true of both 7.6 and Warrior. It is NOT a change.
These all get back to the ASSUMPTION made by some players that support shooting
is only allowed against someone IN CONTACT, which is an incorrect one.
I'll triple check 8.8 to make sure we have this right and spell out some of
these cases if necessary.
Jon

[Don Coon]

JonCleaves@... wrote:
>
> << You are right, I have just never used support shooting from rear ranks of
> chargers who don't make contact because it seems to be a wasted shot. You
> are completely correct that it is how it has always been. We have just
> never
> wasted the shot and when new guys come and want to do it the response is
> "what is this?" Sorry. >>
>
> Absolutely no need to be sorry. It was a good question (as they all are) and
> I have no problem answering.
>
> Shooting with a charger that does not make contact is a rather esoteric
> point, but it can be useful.
As long as we are on the subject, can a third body, not the chargers or
the charged, shoot at the chargers when the chargers do not make
contact? This could happen if the third body wound up behind the
chargers final flank. 8.8 seems to allow this and I know it would be
rare, but it looks legal. Is it?

Don

[Ewan McNay]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Donald Coon wrote:
> As long as we are on the subject, can a third body, not the chargers or
> the charged, shoot at the chargers when the chargers do not make
> contact? This could happen if the third body wound up behind the
> chargers final flank. 8.8 seems to allow this and I know it would be
> rare, but it looks legal. Is it?

I think so. Certainly it's been done to me .

Ewan

--
Dr. Ewan McNay - Behavioral Neuroscience, Yale University.
(203) 432-7005

[Don Coon]

JonCleaves@... wrote:
>
> <<As long as we are on the subject, can a third body, not the chargers or the
charged, shoot at the chargers when the chargers do not make
> contact? This could happen if the third body wound up behind the chargers
final flank. 8.8 seems to allow this and I know it would be rare, but it looks
legal. Is it?>>
>
> Yes. I agree with you that it is rare, but I have seen (done) it.
> Note that this is true of both 7.6 and Warrior. It is NOT a change.
> These all get back to the ASSUMPTION made by some players that support
shooting is only allowed against someone IN CONTACT, which is an incorrect one.
> I'll triple check 8.8 to make sure we have this right and spell out some of
these cases if necessary.
> Jon

I think you have it right. The reason I asked was, in a recent game my
2 X 2 block of fresh xbowmen were not allowed to support shoot at a HC
unit that blew by them in a charge on another of my units. No contact
was made and I saw what I thought to be a choice target. Next time this
happens there will be a pile of Mongols and horses. Hey Patrick buddy,
try that again .

Don